Special: Friday the 13th Part 2 CoHost: John Paul Edmundson

On the one month anniversary of the pod and the second arrival of a Friday the 13th during the run of the show, JP joins Topher Mac to discuss part 2 of the beloved Jason franchise.  

Transcript

SPEAKER_04 0:01

Hey, what's up there, buddy? How you doing over there? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Alright. I thought I'd be silly for a second because the next thing I say is gonna be like super satisfied.

SPEAKER_02 0:10

Okay.

SPEAKER_04 0:10

Alright. So you want to throw a little silly my way too?

SPEAKER_05 0:14

Okay, cool.

SPEAKER_04 0:16

Now now now that we're being silly, hey, um by now with this airing on Friday the 13th. This is sort of old news, but it is not less important news. I I'm waiting. I wanted to wait to talk about this with you because I know you're a big Evil Dead fan. You heard about Bruce Campbell, right?

SPEAKER_02 0:34

Oh yeah. Yeah, no, I had to quietly tell my wife the other day because like I didn't want to upset my kid because we're many both. Love Evil Dead. Love the Evil Dead movies. And uh I didn't know you're gonna hit me with a punch so hard. So early. Yeah. Yeah, it's rough. Um But he's a tough son of a bitch. That's I'm pretty sure that's those are his words. Pretty sure too.

SPEAKER_04 0:57

So uh I didn't believe it at first. I thought it was some bullshit.

SPEAKER_02 1:00

Yeah, it does sound like a Bruce Campbell troll, but uh yeah, no, it's it's true, and that's what makes me sad is there's so I appreciate him because there's so many famous people who have died, and then you're like, oh, he had cancer for such and such years, and you're like, oh, okay, well, at least he's he's very upfront with his his people who love him, which I appreciate about Bruce Campbell. Like he's a man of his fans, if anything.

SPEAKER_04 1:20

Oh, yeah. Well, you and I are both Norm McDonald fans, and he hid his. I mean, no one knew until literally after he died.

SPEAKER_02 1:26

I mean, uh, David Bowie was pretty good about hiding it from everybody, like that he was so far gone on cancer. Like, I mean, like he put out an album as he was like the day after he died, I believe, or something like that. And the whole album was about, you know, him, like the album Lazarus. If you haven't heard that. I'm gonna have to give that a go. It's a haunting album.

SPEAKER_04 1:45

Now, do you think Bruce Campbell is gonna like try to make something real quick if he knows it's the end? Like, do you think he'll make like a short film or something?

SPEAKER_02 1:52

I feel like he's one of those guys who's crazy enough to be like, I'm gonna put my entire voice into a computer so that a robot can use my voice for the next few years.

SPEAKER_04 2:01

Oh god, I hope not.

SPEAKER_02 2:02

At least for Sam. I think he might do it for Sam if something happens. He's like, Sam, I know you need my voice.

SPEAKER_04 2:08

What if he's just like in front of a green screen recording performances for movies that are never gonna happen?

SPEAKER_02 2:12

That'd be the coolest thing ever. He records all of uh like Army of Darkness 4 or Evil Dead 4 or whatever, and he's just like just plug me into it. What I really want is is a Ash vs Evil Dead season 4, I believe. I think it was season four that they got up to. I want that. Like, because uh the way that that show ended was insane. It was him with like on a battle car with a big boobed babe with machine guns on the back of the car, and he's like, hello to the king, babe. It was awesome, awesome. I need more of that. But but yeah, I hope I really hope he uh like uh he's old too though, which really upsets me. He's very old, you know.

SPEAKER_04 2:47

So he's it's he's he's one of the 80s stars, and yeah, it has been I was looking 45 years since the movie we're gonna cover today. Yeah, and he's from around that era.

SPEAKER_02 2:57

Yeah, and I do want to say it was the kind where he said it's the not the kind you like get better from, which is something I I don't remember. I read his whole thing that he posted on Facebook. It was very what are we talking about today?

SPEAKER_04 3:09

Well, you know what? Let's let's move on to happier stuff. You know, I thought, like the movie that we're gonna cover, I'd start with the bad news first.

SPEAKER_00 3:15

Okay. Bad news.

SPEAKER_04 3:17

Which is you know the one that you want to continue on about, you can't continue on about right now. And by that I mean, of course, the the lead actress uh Dying Off, but we'll get there in a minute. Uh, first, ladies and gentlemen, John Paul Edmondson. He is a comedian, he is a writer, and he is clapping a microphone.

SPEAKER_02 3:34

I am clapping a microphone. I uh sorry, it's my I'm conditioned whenever you say a guest name to clap, even though nobody can hear you clapping.

SPEAKER_04 3:42

And you know why you're conditioned for that. Not just the comedy, but you also host a podcast.

SPEAKER_02 3:47

Yep, that's right. Zach and JP's burn out hijinks where the hijinks burn out, and so are we. You can catch us everywhere every Wednesday at take two. Zach and JP's burn out hijinks where the hijinks are burnt out, and so are we. You can catch us every Wednesday at noon on the youtube.com at burnt out hijinks. All one word spelled with a Y on the jinx. Ooh. And a high on the high. H-I-G-H. It's uh it's marijuana. Marijuana anyways, moving on. It's over. How are we doing?

SPEAKER_04 4:14

Well, you know, it's a good time to remind everyone that we do uh record live to tape. I don't cut things out of my show. Whatever happens, happens. Uh let's try not to uh kill Kenny. Um let's uh I want to get this out of the way because you and I tend to be very um wandering with how we do things. So I want to go ahead and start with the nitty gritty. Friday, the 13th, part two, 1981. That's what we're covering. And uh it is an hour and 26 minutes long and is rated R. Do you want to guess what the budget for this bad boy was?

SPEAKER_02 4:57

Um considering how bad I was off the last time, I do not how far off the mark I was. I I gratefully under under woo movies are expensive.

SPEAKER_04 5:07

I gotta tell you, this movie was a lot more expensive than it should have been.

SPEAKER_02 5:11

I bet it was.

SPEAKER_04 5:12

1.25 million estimate. Okay. Which um I don't see it.

SPEAKER_02 5:17

Really?

SPEAKER_04 5:18

I don't see it in it.

SPEAKER_02 5:19

I think a lot of it went into the prosthetic at the end of the movie. Spoilers.

SPEAKER_04 5:24

Well, yeah, but I I think maybe the fact that the cast was double the size could have been it.

SPEAKER_02 5:29

Double the size of the cast. Um uh there's a lot in this movie that I I'm not gonna lie, I was like, I've been avoiding saying it since you got here, but I actually really kind of love this movie. Oh, we're gonna get into that in just a second.

SPEAKER_04 5:42

Let me let me like spit fire through all this. All right, it was released on April 30th, 1981. Yeah. Though IMDB likes to say May 1st, and I'm wondering if it's one of those things where it's like where because Box Office Mojo said April 30th, and I'm more inclined to follow Box Office Mojo.

SPEAKER_02 5:58

I don't trust anything that says mojo in its name. That's that's just me personally. I continue.

SPEAKER_04 6:04

I mean that's fair, but Box Office Mojo is where I get all of my uh mo not all of, but most of my financial statistics.

SPEAKER_02 6:10

So if you were to lose my box office mojo, would you say you lost your mojo, baby? Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 6:17

All right. All right. Um opening weekend, it made six point four million dollars uh domestically, and that went on to make twenty-one point seven million domestically. Do you want to take guess what it made internationally?

SPEAKER_02 6:30

More. Far more because the Italians probably saw it and were like, I love it.

SPEAKER_04 6:34

Make a more Adis, uh we do uh it was released in Australia and it made four hundred and eighty-nine dollars.

SPEAKER_03 6:42

Look, that looks like my brother Bruce over there. Of course, Bruce does that on the weekends when he hangs around the light. I don't know if you just heard what I said, so I'm gonna repeat it.

SPEAKER_04 6:51

$489.

SPEAKER_03 6:55

Yep. Yep, those are the two million. Yeah, those are the two guys who were like, look, that's Bruce over there. Fucking Bruce was he doing over here. We don't want to see a bunch of kids.

SPEAKER_02 7:03

I can't believe these Aussies look I'm sorry, I've I'm mildly anti-Australian stances here, but uh can't believe they weren't excited to see like, dude, okay.

SPEAKER_04 7:12

It would have been it would have I it was a reason, a fairly recent release, too. Yeah, I would have thought it would have been a higher number. I don't know why.

SPEAKER_02 7:19

What other stats do you got? Like, what are the hard facts?

SPEAKER_04 7:21

Yes, uh, so that brings the international lifetime growth to 21.7 million dollars. Uh, I cannot find home media data on this movie. They uh buried it. Yeah, it was directed by Steve Minor, who also directed part three and H2O and one of the worst movies I have ever seen. It is in the top five worst movies I've ever seen. Uh, that movie being um Day of the Dead 2008. Day of the Dead, 2008. The 2008 Day of the Dead is just impossibly bad.

SPEAKER_02 7:54

I agree with that. The yeah, the one it wasn't shoot, who was that guy who was in that movie? Was it was it a singer?

SPEAKER_04 8:01

I had a lot of famous people in his really weird, including uh what's her name from American Pie?

SPEAKER_02 8:06

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 8:07

Uh oh a good time to remind the audience. We don't know names. I'm a bad name.

SPEAKER_02 8:11

Yeah, I was just thinking about that in this movie. Because yeah, it's funny you said the mention the director because I was like, who directed this movie? George Lucas? Like there's hey, so yeah, nobody can wear any underwear because, as we all know, there's no underwear in space. I mean, at sleepaway camp. No underwear allowed. Like, there were so many just headlights in this movie. It was very ridiculous. Very aimed at teenagers in the 80s. There was one lady the the the girl with the the crop top shirt, I just ended up calling nipples. Like the girl who does the skinny colours. I know what you're talking about. I just called her nipples, and the other one I call um uh girl with huge boobs. First girl is huge boobs because she's their point where she's the one who has like the really frizzy natural hair. She's the first girl, yeah, yeah. She's the first girl you meet of the new group because it's the movie starts off with the girl from the last movie.

SPEAKER_04 9:06

One one second, I do want to say one thing.

SPEAKER_02 9:08

Sorry.

SPEAKER_04 9:10

I keep jumping the gun. I have a lot of facts. Almost done with the upfront shit. Okay. Um, writer, Ron Kurtz, uh, who is an uncredited writer during the first Friday of the 13th. Now, if you remember in the last movie, Sean Cunningham, the creator, um him and uh Victor Miller helped create some of the characters as well because both of them are credited with characters by for this. Um Sean Cunningham, not with this production. Do you want to take a guess why?

SPEAKER_00 9:36

No. Why?

SPEAKER_04 9:37

Because he thought it was fucking stupid to do a movie about a uh a Jason because Jason fucking died in the lake.

SPEAKER_02 9:43

Yeah, yeah, exactly. Like that the whole end of the first movie is supposed to be a hallucination because that why was Jason's mom there so mad about the children? Yeah, like it doesn't make sense.

SPEAKER_04 9:53

Yes, so we're immediately starting with that logical. But he he did this thing where he sold the franchise to Paramount Pictures. Oopsie. The first movie wasn't even out yet, so he didn't know what he had. The first movie was an independent film, though.

SPEAKER_02 10:06

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 10:07

Um, so uh that's pretty much what it is because I did just real quick want to cover the Sean Cunningham thing because Sean Cunningham uh Oh, I forgot to hit record on my backup copy.

SPEAKER_02 10:19

Is Sean Cunningham like a uh John Carpenter where he's like, what there's no more story? Has he got that kind of mentality about these movies still?

SPEAKER_04 10:27

Or well he wanted uh he and some other people wanted the movie to be a um if you say anthology, I'm gonna That's exactly what I was gonna say.

SPEAKER_02 10:37

So he's the same story as John Carpenter. It's the exact same story John Carpenter had with Halloween. It's like we want to do something else, and then Hollywood was like, no, we like that guy. We like the the guy, the big guy with the cool thing. Who's this Jason character? I like the one-word name, it's pretty cool.

SPEAKER_04 10:53

Mm-hmm. And this was the year that Halloween 2 came out.

SPEAKER_02 10:56

Okay.

SPEAKER_04 10:56

So it it was both movie franchises were like, well, you know what?

SPEAKER_02 11:00

Let's maybe director's like this is a stupid idea, but one of them kept to his stuck to his guns, John Carpenter. And walked away from the franchise, John Carpenter. Yep. At least I will give John Carpenter. I give Carpenter credit. He got to get to the third movie where he got to be like, we're doing something different. Like he did to get to have his one movie where it wasn't Michael Myers anymore, but then they were just like, no, no, no, stop that. If you ever do Season of the Witch, let me know. I love it.

SPEAKER_04 11:25

I I will. Sean movie. Sean Cunningham also left because of this and didn't come back until the one that you like Jason goes to hell.

SPEAKER_02 11:33

So Jason, because that's amazing. That is amazing. I I can see that because the first that I think that's the movie where the first thing they do is just machine gun Jason down and like have the the military just blast him. But can we talk about the the trailer for this movie though? Yes. Now we're we now we're gonna be able to do that. We watched the before me and my son watched this movie. We watched the trailer. Trailer spoils the entire movie. Oh, yeah. I didn't see the trailer. Every single kill is on in the trailer. I hate movies. And then they do like a countdown up from 13 to like the amount of kills in the trailer. It shows you every single person killed. Yep, every single trailer I think it counts up to like 22. It's like 13, 14, 15. It's really a bad trailer. It's a horrible trailer. Are you sure that's the official trailer? Yeah. Uh it's the it's on the extra features of the the DVD that we got, and it's just like it's like here's this movie you're going to see for Jason. Friday the 13th, 2. You know, it's like, oh my god. And then I love the intro for it because the first one has the breaking glass, the 13th, yeah. This one has my son, it's so funny. He's like, oh no, it's gonna break through the glass. Explosion. Yeah. It was like two. Yeah, they're just like, fuck you, Sean Cunningham, we don't care. So you mentioned the death of the actress. Is that a different actress from the first movie?

SPEAKER_04 12:47

No, it's the same actress, and they recycled a lot of the footage. And one of the reasons they did that is because this is before home media had presence. So you you if you were trying to do a franchise, you would need to sort of remind the audience. Yeah, you gotta spoon feed it to them. Oh, hey, in case you forgot, last year this thing happened, and here's what it was.

SPEAKER_02 13:06

I didn't realize in the first movie, I think it was the bull haircut, which the helmet hair, as I described it in the last episode. But uh in this episode, she didn't have the same haircut, and she looked so much more like the waitress from It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia. Like, that's all I could think of the entire I forgot her name. I just called her the waitress. Uh Charlie's love interest on It's Always Sunny, if you haven't seen that. Um, but I love how Jason ends up taking her out. Yeah, Charlie's wife. Um she had a screw loose. Am I right? Jason saw she had a couple of screws loose after her encounter. So he uh screwed with her brain a little bit. Screwed driver. This is an ice peg.

SPEAKER_04 13:42

That's an ice pig, not a screwdriver.

SPEAKER_02 13:43

I thought it was a screwdriver.

SPEAKER_04 13:44

Yeah, it's an ice pig.

SPEAKER_02 13:45

Ah, damn. Well, I think it was well.

SPEAKER_04 13:49

He gave her the whole uh uh Kennedy daughter, you know, a little stabby stab into the brain.

SPEAKER_02 13:54

Lindenberg baby. Is that the same thing? No, no, no.

SPEAKER_04 13:56

Did you know this about Kennedy's uh daughter, actually? She got lobotomy? Got a lobotomy. What the fuck? Lobotomy. Had no idea. Yeah, they hit her away.

SPEAKER_02 14:04

And then they did the same thing with RFK. You know, anyway. So no, I thought it was so did that was the five years jump, I can't remember, was the five year jump because it's five years between in in the universe, between movies. Yes. Is it happened before or after they kill uh after Jason kills her? Oh shit.

SPEAKER_04 14:24

You know, they don't specify and I think it's up for interpretation.

SPEAKER_02 14:29

Because I do feel like it's like the the hand was pretty big, once again, but as we saw in the first movies, hands hands can change. Like in the Voorhees family, yeah, their hands are if it anything if not inconsistent, huh? Oh, I was just gonna say you're a little loud. Pull it away. Yeah, yeah, I can see that. I was speaking on the thing. Sorry. Sorry about that. I get excited and I talk in is the best definitive. But what I did note was that the first guy uh that they show up with the truck, whose truck breaks down, you know.

SPEAKER_04 14:54

Oh, well, before we even do that, you know why uh I just want to remind you in case you forgot, the reason why her role was so small, they were actually gonna do this whole thing with her in the uh like she was gonna like I've heard rumors at least that she was supposed to like even try to psychologically consult with J uh Jason and like try to you know touch his humanity and all that shit. Um they got rid of all that because she had got stalked and didn't want to be in movies anymore.

SPEAKER_02 15:21

Oh, dang. The girl from the first movie?

SPEAKER_04 15:23

The girl from the first movie. That's why she just makes exciting.

SPEAKER_02 15:25

So that's why in the second movie there's just like so here's the new characters, and this is characters, these are psychologists, these are psychologists. Because God, yeah, okay, that's that sucks. That's horrible. People are like, and that was the 80s too. That sucks.

SPEAKER_04 15:38

Yeah, she was gonna be the Sydney Prescott, but she literally got stalked. That's horrible, man.

SPEAKER_02 15:42

That's that I could see it. Like, she's like she was like, she's got like the look of the same, like, because I honestly don't like the lead in this at this movie, the lead girl. Like she's got the the the I don't know what it is, but it's like every generation has to have their no eyebrows goth in horror movies woman. You know what I'm talking about?

SPEAKER_04 16:02

You're talking about the girl from X.

SPEAKER_02 16:04

We've got the girl from X, we had Christina Ritchie in the 90s.

SPEAKER_04 16:07

Oh, Christina Richie's dreamy.

SPEAKER_02 16:08

She's got no eyebrows, though. And then we've got the girl uh this girl in the 80s with no eyebrows. We had there were so many of them in the 2000s with no eyebrows.

SPEAKER_04 16:16

Split the difference between the two distances of your mic.

SPEAKER_02 16:19

Oh, yeah, like probably no. I'm just talking about the eyebrows thing. That's my problem. Shit. You got real excited with eyebrows. Yeah, no, because it's just it's a thing because Mia Goth is the new one, I think. And she's the one from X, and like she was in Nosferatu. She's in all these great horror movies, but there's always that no eyebrows having good horror movie lady nowadays. Or it's and it's just been a thing. So that's just something I know.

SPEAKER_04 16:43

Apparently, Mia Goth uh used to be married or with Shiloh LaBeouf.

SPEAKER_02 16:47

Yeah, I think they still are. They have a baby.

SPEAKER_04 16:50

Well, they got the baby together, but you know, he's got all the prompts.

SPEAKER_02 16:53

Yeah, he's a he's a yeah, but but moving forward to the movie. What I wrote was uh one of the guys in this who ends up being a kill later, which I learned due to the spoilers, uh, was looked like the guy from ACDC, like the singer from ACDC.

SPEAKER_03 17:06

So I just I wanted to hear him go back to the bat stab, gun loose, spear juice, you know.

SPEAKER_02 17:16

But I like uh once again, I mentioned that they uh gas station opening. So they they once again started the gas station with the car, uh the redneck tow truck prank uh by uh the case.

SPEAKER_04 17:26

Which was a weird choice for me.

SPEAKER_02 17:28

Yeah. I like this movie a lot. This movie did so many setups, like they set up so many things in this movie, like just uh bit after bit. Like the first act is just setting up stuff. Like the the one car, the two cars into the thing, the you know, like how big the group is, uh the car. You know, I I guess this would be a good time to tell you that I did not like this movie. You didn't because I dude, I'm the exact opposite. I was dreading watching this movie, thinking I was going to be bored out of my mind like I was with the first one. Because I was so bored with the first one. I was engaged the entire time with this movie. I had so much fun with this movie. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 18:04

Well then keep going, keep talking about things you're gonna do.

SPEAKER_02 18:06

It's really like nuts just because they they they set up so much shit. Like they set up um her car. She pulls up, yeah. She pulls up uh to the to the house to the camp. Her car immediately starts having trouble. Later on in the movie, when she needs the car to work, the car has trouble. Now that's a good thing. There's I have a couple of uh things that she they set up. That's my George Lucas uh like hold on. There's the phones aren't working set up. They set up that the phones aren't working, she's like, Why didn't you call to say that you were gonna be late? Just like, oh, I tried to call, but the phones aren't working. And it's not like real shoe hoard in. Like it's in a natural conversation. Um, I'll give you that. Yeah, there's a couple more. Uh the chainsaw that she messes with earlier that comes back into play. Like they set up the chainsaw that she tries to chainsaw Jason with later.

SPEAKER_04 18:51

Yeah, while they were cooking hot dogs. Which, by the way, what did you think of the hot dog gag?

SPEAKER_02 18:56

Very funny. Especially no, my cosmone pointed out. And I like the misdirect with the dog. Like, cause you think, oh, they Jason killed Muffin.

SPEAKER_04 19:04

Well, you know, that's controversial also about whether or not Muffin died or not.

SPEAKER_02 19:08

Yeah, because well, Muffin didn't Muffin shows up at the end.

SPEAKER_04 19:10

But did he?

SPEAKER_02 19:11

Yeah, because the who else has a dog with that purple bow?

SPEAKER_04 19:15

Well, I don't mean to get ahead of ourselves here, but it is you and me having a conversation. Uh the there they say the the end of the movie is a dream.

SPEAKER_02 19:24

Oh.

SPEAKER_04 19:25

Oh shit.

SPEAKER_02 19:26

Well, in this one?

SPEAKER_04 19:27

Yeah. Oh. They try to I have I've I get mixed things. Like I didn't pick that up when I was watching it. But they're basically saying, like, everything after you know she pulled the mask off and then they leave the room.

SPEAKER_02 19:39

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 19:40

That all that rest of his stuff is a dream.

SPEAKER_02 19:42

Oh, okay. So after oh, so when Jason, okay, I but I mean Yeah, I don't buy that. Because it's doesn't this movie go right into the third one too? Like I feel like I have not seen the third one at all. Yeah, I don't remember. Now I've just got to remember. But they set up like a lot of sh of stuff with this movie, which I thought was really cool. Like they did a lot of like just your basic homework for good storytelling in movies. Like just like you set up the issue, like the lights in the cabin, they set up the the cabin, the girls liked not working in their cabin pretty early on. Yeah. So that comes into play later. There's just like they set up weapons, they set up this, they set up like there's just a bunch of cool setups, I thought, in this movie. Like, and honestly, like the protagonists are likable. Like the when they split up everybody, like they go to the protagonists were likable, I'll give you that. Like Paul and Jenny.

SPEAKER_04 20:26

I didn't want people to die then.

SPEAKER_02 20:28

No, I didn't either. Like, and I'm really glad Paul and Jenny lived to the end of the movie because I like both of them. Like, even though I thought, who did I have at that point?

SPEAKER_04 20:35

My favorites, my favorites died almost immediately. Which was uh wheelchair guy and the really, really hot girl.

SPEAKER_02 20:44

Yes, nipples. Nipples was really hot. That was nipples? I think that was nipples.

SPEAKER_04 20:48

No, not skinny dipping girl. Or I'm talking about the girl that wanted to get with the wheelchair.

SPEAKER_02 20:54

Oh, because they were after Nipples and the other guy who got caught in the the bear trap or the the rope trap. Because Nipples, I think, was the first camper who died. No, no, no. The guy in the rope trap was the first one, and then it was Nipples, and then he came back and he killed. I mentioned that the the guy in the wheelchair could have played. I thought it was really fucked up too that I thought this. I was like, he looks exactly like Christopher Reeves with Superman.

SPEAKER_04 21:16

Yeah, yo, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 21:18

He could have wheelchair and all. Oh, yeah, yeah, that was the yeah. No, I was like, God, that guy's chin and the black hair in the the room, like it looked could have been a good Superman. But it was mostly the wheelchair thing. I was just like, God, why did I say that? But I just loved how he like rolls. No, nothing like. Have you ever seen a wheelchair roll backwards? Like, just physics don't work the way like it rolled down those those things so perfectly. I just love it.

SPEAKER_04 21:43

I haven't seen a roll down like that.

SPEAKER_02 21:45

Because he just goes downstairs and he just doesn't like he after the first bump down the stairs, I feel like he would have done some flips. You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_04 21:51

You know, apparently it was a really difficult shot to shoot. It was like one of the most difficult shots.

SPEAKER_02 21:56

I bet because I bet the it was back heavy and he just kept falling over.

SPEAKER_04 21:59

Well, it was a dumb.

SPEAKER_02 22:00

Well, yeah, I bet the dummy was back heavy.

SPEAKER_04 22:02

Yeah, and they needed to like hide that it was a dummy, so it had to fall perfect.

SPEAKER_02 22:06

Yeah. Oh god, dude. That was the this movie had a lot of really fun kills, too. Like, I like that we get was this the first double kill that we get with like because Jason gets the spear of the spear. They set up the spear. And I I almost thought like at uh the the goofy guy who's the other counselor. Oh, yes, he does the prank. Yeah, he pranks them all at the campfire.

SPEAKER_04 22:26

You think he's gonna use the mask?

SPEAKER_02 22:28

Yeah, I definitely thought he was gonna lose the use of mask. I was like, oh, I like how they set up like I even mentioned to Cosmo. I was like, I like how they put the mask on the like they leave the mask there, like, oh what if he picks up the mask? Because, you know, upgrade, you know, like because like they they don't show him with the bag on his head until after the mask. Yeah, dude, and I love I love this Jason too. Like he's just a big idiot in the woods.

SPEAKER_04 22:47

Like he's just he's the most human he'll ever be.

SPEAKER_02 22:50

Yeah, and it's it's awesome. Like he's just a guy in the woods whose face is just like when he the the sheriff uh I wrote Shammer Sheriff Hammerhead.

SPEAKER_04 22:59

I liked that sheriff.

SPEAKER_02 23:00

Yeah, I did too. He was fun because he was just dropping the kids, and that's you get your first like he was doing shopping and he was like trying to be good too.

SPEAKER_04 23:05

He's like, I'm literally trying to save your life. Yeah, will you let me save your life? No, you're gonna be stubborn. Alright, cool, I'm out.

SPEAKER_02 23:10

And that's actually I completely forgot the first actual kill because we get possibly Muffin is the first kill. But then we got uh aside from the final girl from first movie, uh, we got bicycle guy from the first movie is back and he gets killed. He doesn't have a single line. I can't remember his name in this movie because he didn't have a single line. He was the the guy? Yeah, from the first movie.

SPEAKER_00 23:30

Oh, you mean your favorite gonna die? You're all gonna die!

SPEAKER_02 23:33

Yeah, that guy didn't have a single line in this movie, and he just gets nice.

SPEAKER_04 23:37

I was literally listening to the podcast that we did together on the way over here, and you said his name like 45 minutes.

SPEAKER_02 23:42

Yeah, I can't remember because he didn't say it in this movie, so that I completely forgot it.

SPEAKER_04 23:46

And I even wanted to bring it up, be like, How'd you feel that your favorite character from the last movie died?

SPEAKER_02 23:50

Yeah, he died. I was so upset. Like, I mean, I was a little upset because he never he never had a crazy soliloquy.

SPEAKER_04 23:56

Like he just kind of He said something at the gas.

SPEAKER_02 23:58

Not much at the phone, not a whole lot, though. Like he was just kind of like, you know, in and out. And then it was like he was just he he came to the camp, didn't make a ruckus, he just was kind of being a pervert. And I get it. He was definitely being a pervert this time. Well, uh you're being a pervert at nipples. Nipples headlights were on. New scary movie rule, don't be a perv. Full head of the lights on, dude. I was just like, holy cow, this um oh, this is what I wrote. Uh Paul looked like Harry from Dumb and Dumber. That's what I thought. Like with his haircut, like especially in the first scene he's introduced, like, he looks exactly like Harry from Dumb and Dumber. It was very funny. Which one was Paul again? That was the He was the lead who was Ginny's boyfriend. He was uh the guy who was the guess the leader of the camp the camp. Yeah, the head camp. Yeah, the guy in charge. What what I don't like is that Ginny and Paul and superfluous third guy who looks like he could have been in a cool 80s band. I don't know his name. He looked like he definitely looked like he was in a new wave band. He was the red-headed prankster. Oh, the prankster. Yeah. But he like I do believe he was with worked with Paul and Ginny on the thing, you know, and that like and but they were like the same age as the kids. And it felt like that the but I was just wondering, like, what kind of camp is it? Like, is it like it's like a That's a training camp.

SPEAKER_04 25:11

Or they're like training to be ready for that year.

SPEAKER_02 25:14

Okay, because like for me, I was like, why are these guys like camp counseling the camp counselor age? You know, like why are they all the same age?

SPEAKER_04 25:22

He seemed a little bit older than everyone else, but like only a little bit older.

SPEAKER_02 25:26

I just assume that was the 80s actor syndrome where he looked like a foot guy in his 40s. I mean that's you know, and is was paired with a barely 18-year-old. They'd be 20 looking like I look now at almost 40. Dude, like I'm just like, uh like, no, I'm 18 years old. You know, smoking like new like the guy from the first movie with the short shorts and the mustache.

SPEAKER_04 25:46

Holy cow, like how does Harrison Ford still look almost the same age?

SPEAKER_02 25:50

I appreciate that Harrison Ford has looked like he was in his 40s forever. Like he's just looked more like more 40s. Um but there's so many people who just touch poison ivy in this movie. I swear to God.

SPEAKER_04 26:02

And they talk about it on screen too. With short shorts. They say, stay on the trail because it's poison ivy.

SPEAKER_02 26:06

No, you're just walking through with short shorts, like you know, knee like waist-high short shorts, and you're just like, nah, I'll just walk through this all the thick underbrush. It's cool.

SPEAKER_04 26:15

There ain't nothing sexier than some some some itchy-itch on the legs.

SPEAKER_03 26:19

Get you some calamine lotion, I'll put it on for you.

SPEAKER_02 26:23

Yeah, dude. I don't know. Um that's the real scary thing about this movie. Ginny was a child psych major. I wrote that. Uh they set up the phones weren't working when Ginny has her first talk conversation with Paul. Uh so that they said that's like just one of the things I've really set up. Bad guy purving, so he died. Yeah, that's what I had about. He died before he could say some crazy shit.

SPEAKER_04 26:42

Like he got he got Jason was like, is one crazy thing in town, and then you think he's gonna be a stock character around every time, and then they go, just kidding, barbed wire to the neck.

SPEAKER_02 26:51

You know me. I wanted him to be like good this this movie had some fun stuff, dude. Like it was uh I like the sheriff. We get we can go back to the sheriff now that we've addressed addressed him.

SPEAKER_04 27:00

Who I I liked that character a lot.

SPEAKER_02 27:02

I did too. I do feel like this movie is where the confusion for the ch instead of the kill, kill. Oh, for sure. Because this score sucked for this one, I was gonna say. Yeah, but this movie also has a lot of just instead of going the whole kill, kill, kill, kill. It just no, it's it just straight up sounds like just and in all fairness, it might have been.

SPEAKER_04 27:27

It had a totally different person to the score. I thought the score was a lot weaker. Yeah, the appro the filmmaking approach to this, you could tell it was someone who had never made a movie before and only made one other movie since or two movies since. Yeah. Because he did uh part three and then he did um House, but not the really cool Asian House, but like there was a movie called House.

SPEAKER_02 27:51

Oh, okay, okay. Um well dude, like honestly, I thought this movie was as a movie. I was very I was really engaged with the whole movie, dude. Like I thought they like even when Jason took they they they took his bag off his head, spoilers, you know, they get him at the end and or do they, you know, but they don't show him then. Like when they take the bag off and then just go, oh, oh, no, oh bah uh.

SPEAKER_04 28:13

But well when they first take it off, they don't even show it right away.

SPEAKER_02 28:16

Yeah, that's what I mean. That's what I mean. Like they don't show it, like they do a very good job of concealing the look. Um but then we get the sheriff getting to his house, uh, which I thought was cool.

SPEAKER_04 28:26

It's like, you know that was a good ad, having him have a little like house because little ramshackle that's a way of saying where's he been?

SPEAKER_02 28:32

That's a way of addressing where his because it is it is like okay, what did he do? Did he crawl out the lake and he was just too stupid to go back? And then his mom didn't think to you know, because they shut down Cramp Crystal Lake. They can't Camp Camp Blood was a rumor for a while, like you know, in the last movie. And this is the neighboring camp.

SPEAKER_04 28:52

Yeah, he doesn't start killing anybody in that group until they come into hysterics.

SPEAKER_02 28:56

Yeah, exactly. So it's just like it's so weird. It's so I mean, I get like why Sean was like, you know, no, it's fucking dumb. Like, how?

SPEAKER_04 29:06

There's a lot of bad logic in it. Like, you're right that they set up stuff, so there is like good stuff in that regard, but there's just a lot of bad logic throughout and a lot of extreme suspension of discord.

SPEAKER_02 29:18

Outside of Jason is set up beautifully, it all makes sense. It's all like you can draw the dots from here to there, but it's just then you add like it's just that one why isn't Jason a bloated corpse? You know, like why isn't he dead? You know, like why didn't they like how do you know he drowned in the river wouldn't they have if you if this mother was so grief stricken, wouldn't they have fished her out? Like she has like she acts like a lady who had to deal with the bloated corpse of her son, you know what I mean? So like him being in the woods for five years and you know, eating animals. Early early versions of the um When he saw his mom stalking the camp, why didn't he pop out? Exactly. You know, like if he if he got to see his moms get his her head cut off, why didn't he be like, was he just too busy in the woods, just running around and he he just walked up and then happened to see her then? Like, and it's just like alright, no.

SPEAKER_04 30:10

Or maybe he was like stalking his mom, but he didn't want to talk to her because he felt like he had disappointed her because he he told her he wasn't gwimming. Yeah, and so for 20 years he was like, I can't like let her know that I lived because she'll punish me. Yeah, it's like I mean, she is the kind of woman that kills people.

SPEAKER_02 30:24

Yeah, with a cool knife. It's like I can't wait to get my own cool knife. For now, I'll just use this weird backwards machete until I get my iconic normal machete.

SPEAKER_04 30:32

Like You know, I did that. Was interesting that they they had a machete kill in this. Because they had not quite two machete kills.

SPEAKER_02 30:39

Jason gets a machete killed, also. Jason technically gets a machete in his uh that's what takes him out at the end of the movie. Um well who wait, because it is j is it just Superman who gets the machete kill? Superman in the wheelchair? Yeah, that's it. Yeah, that's it. Okay. Because the other one is the spear, like the two, the couple that uh Angus it's not Angus Young. Is Angus Young the singer from ACD? No. The ACDC guy and uh big boobs, they get killed with the spear together. And I like I I actually mixed up that kill with the one where I think it's in part three where he like. I know yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_04 31:09

Where it's also in Freddy vs.

SPEAKER_02 31:11

Yeah, in Freddie vs. Jason's a very fun kill.

SPEAKER_04 31:13

Oh, and the Freddy vs. Jason is the best way it's ever been done.

SPEAKER_02 31:16

Yeah, I yeah, I agree. Like that that movie. We've got to talk about that movie. Oh, I can't wait to cover that one.

SPEAKER_04 31:23

That's probably my favorite. Here's the thing is like I grew up I'm I I like I said I did not like this movie very much watching it last night. Um, and I'm mad because growing up, I've always been a Jason guy. I've been Jason over Freddie, I've been Jason over Michael, and then I'm watching a movie going, these movies aren't very good. Yeah, yeah, no, they're not. Like, just the character is good, but not even right away.

SPEAKER_02 31:48

We like the idea of Jason. We don't like the execution of Jason.

SPEAKER_04 31:51

It is probably the only horror movie franchise that I'm I'm open to a proper reboot for as long as it's not by dipshit.

SPEAKER_02 32:01

As long as you get like yeah, but as long as you get like your uh your uh your yeah No, I'm sorry, I didn't say it right. Yeah, we gotta make sure it's not done by that guy who goes, because he's never gonna stop. Yeah, never gonna stop making horrible movies, Mr. Zombie. Um but anyways, buddy.

SPEAKER_04 32:19

I was talking about the actual remake that they did with um uh uh Armageddon guy. Oh shit.

SPEAKER_02 32:27

Oh, yeah, my Michael Bay, you make the Michael Bay Blubhouse remakes.

SPEAKER_04 32:32

Yeah, I don't care for Michael Bay.

SPEAKER_02 32:33

Well I'll give at least all he did was produce those. He didn't have any he didn't actually direct those movies. I guess he started with the Texas Chainsaw. He was very involved.

SPEAKER_04 32:40

He was not like a oh, I'm just gonna like make facilities. I think he was like a you're gonna do the he was George Lucas producing.

SPEAKER_02 32:47

I think he was he dictated the style for a lot of those those remakes that they did at the time. Because he also did the Texas Chainsaw one, I believe.

SPEAKER_04 32:54

Yeah, but I like that movie.

SPEAKER_02 32:55

I did too. Um but the but this Jason, Jason, Jason. But yeah, when you compare him to Freddie though, Freddie, Freddie also, his first movie wasn't super great either. But like, I mean, but I think Freddie had a stronger first and the second one's really bad. His I think Freddie Jason, Freddie Freddie 2 is also a very fun movie.

SPEAKER_04 33:13

But it's we're talking about gay Freddie, right?

SPEAKER_02 33:16

Yeah, I think it would have been a great movie if it was in a different franchise. I think it would have been a better movie for it. I think it's a good movie. Well, yeah, but that's what I'm saying.

SPEAKER_04 33:22

It's like it broke the rules of its own. It did, and in a way, it's a very good thing.

SPEAKER_02 33:25

Well, the rules really weren't set up super yet.

SPEAKER_04 33:28

It's almost like that's the thing that the 80s slasher films were doing is like they would set up this cool idea and then they would turn their back on everything that made it good.

SPEAKER_02 33:38

I yeah, fun, but the fun thing with Freddie and Jason, though, their third movie is where they get a lot of the formula, the formula comes up. That's when they figure it out. Yeah, because like Dream Warriors, great movie, the third movie, like you need Jason and the hockey mask. Like, in terms of who would have thought that a fucking stupid hockey mask was the the cheat code for a cool monster. Yeah, I can't wait till later this year to cover that. Hopefully with you. This is something else I wanted to say too, because like I like how Jason goes, like the way Jason works as a concept, like especially later on, the way he gets he works. Like, I if you he's the one where you have to the first instance of Jason in a movie, you have to suspend your disbelief for the thing. Like because of just of the whole the question the original director had how is Jason here? Like, because he's gotta be some sort of supernatural something, so that's immediately something over Mike Myers. Michael Myers. Yeah, baby, once again. Um we do a Halloween, I'm just gonna do a Mike Myers impressions the entire episode. But no, because I don't know, Mike Myers, Michael Myers starts off as like a real person, like he's just like I I think what's his name? You know, John Carpenter had like just like the idea of an evil human being was Michael Myers. And this one, Jason's like, it's super Michael Myers. It's basically the you got your shredder, then you got your super shredder. So you got your like he's just your got struck with the lightning pole, you know, like kind of I don't I don't know.

SPEAKER_04 35:03

Like they wrote Mike My uh Michael Myers as the shape in the original Halloween script. He was always intended to be a force of evil the minute he grew up from being a kid.

SPEAKER_02 35:14

Yeah, yeah. Well, but that and that's like I like it too. Like, cause like, but it's like a guy though. Like that's what I think is cool. Like he's a guy, but he's still like, how is he doing this stuff? And even though this movie, Jason is a guy.

SPEAKER_04 35:25

He's the most human he will ever be.

SPEAKER_02 35:27

Yeah, and these and the like and that's like the thing with Michael too, in this in his first and second movies. Like they were just kind of like still kind of yeah, like he's he takes a fucking a machete through the shoulder, but he still gets up and he butts through the window at the end. Like that's like that shot was what I was waiting for the entire movie. And I was really mixing up if this was the one with Corey Feldman or not, because he looks like Corey Feldman, like Cory Feldman in his makeup in the I think it's the fourth movie. He looks like Michael does at the end of this movie because the prosthetics were kind of neat. I like the way he looks, like with the half, like it's got like it's so weird. Like Cosmo mentioned he's like, yeah, between this movie and the next one, he loses all of his hair. Because like he's got like a kind of half decent looking normal country bumpkin face on the left side with like mutton chops and whatever, and like long, cool Jesus hair. But then you just like that it's like they took like a screw at the back of his head and just started twisting, and then like the face, like the rest of his face just like stretched and balded. I don't know.

SPEAKER_04 36:22

It was like that's where where do you used in a lot of uh Jason Diehard's hate that he had hair?

SPEAKER_02 36:28

I d I I don't care. Like for me, uh my one of my favorite Jason designs is Freddie vs. Jason, and he had hair in that. It's just very sparse. Yeah, you know, I like that this is original Jason, he hasn't been put under the water for like the fourteenth time, he hasn't been killed, he hasn't been shot at, he hasn't been exploded yet. This is just your friend as your first Jason, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 36:47

Like I feel like he would look like he learns to shave between this movie and the next one. Which is cool, good for him, good on him.

SPEAKER_02 36:52

I'm glad he got some like he got some growth out of it. Like he probably, even though I I don't it'd be really funny if he learns how to shave and never learn how to use a razor like as a weapon. Like he's shaving with like the the old Sweeney Todd one.

SPEAKER_03 37:04

He's got the machete for the he just like he grabs just uh pulls it out of his shoulder and just starts shaving with these mutton chops, gotta go.

SPEAKER_04 37:12

I like to imagine he's sitting down with Satan, you know, and and Satan's like, you know, I'm gonna give you everlasting life, right? And he's like, Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 37:19

And you're gonna look like that forever, dude.

SPEAKER_04 37:21

But here's the thing there's a catch. You have to shave all as all the time, even when your face gets horribly deformed. I need you to constantly.

SPEAKER_02 37:30

And it's gonna be hard, dude. You're gonna have some weird contours up there. It's gonna be hard to do. Like, it's gonna be you're gonna cut yourself. I'm just gonna be honest, you're gonna lacerations are gonna happen, sir. It's like Jason's just like, that's a fair trade. Like does Jason talk in any of these movies ever? He never talks every year. I don't think he ever like um who's your favorite Jason actor, do you think? I know this is we're kind of I mean, that's getting way ahead of it. Umder, it's it's Kane Hodder.

SPEAKER_04 37:56

I mean, Kane Hotter is is I guess the right choice, but I do think if it's not Kane Hodder, it's the one from Freddie versus Jason.

SPEAKER_02 38:05

Yeah, yeah, it's the one time where I'm like he was the right choice over Kane Hotter. Because he needed Jason to be that much bigger than Freddie. Because God. I mean, you could have cheated and made him seem bigger, but nah, Robert England's personality just required Jason to be that much bigger. Because Robert England, God, that's we could do a whole episode of just Robert England just as an actor, just doing Freddy alone. Holy shit, I love like I had the I was always a Friday, uh Friday guy, uh a nightmare guy over Friday over the Fridays.

SPEAKER_04 38:37

Oh, see, I was gonna ask and see that.

SPEAKER_02 38:39

Because uh I love Jay, I love Freddie. I just love I love how he's just a shitty little guy, you know, and he's just like and once again he starts off as a shitty little guy, but how does he but they immediately establish he's got weird extra supernatural shit.

SPEAKER_04 38:52

Like so I think it's interesting my twin sister's is Freddie because mine's Jason.

SPEAKER_02 38:57

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 38:57

And and then her from what I understand, her kids are are Michael, Michael Myers people.

SPEAKER_02 39:02

Yeah. Say my kids are Pennywise kids, so even though that makes all the sense in the world to me. Yeah, no, he like uh Welcome to Dairy is a really fun watch.

SPEAKER_04 39:12

That was such a good show. I just watched it. Just watched it since I started this.

SPEAKER_02 39:17

But let me say, let me think. I'm trying to think of just the this movie was very it was a I I really I I really am upset that I slept on it for so long, actually. Because like I I know I could hear you say you didn't care for it, and I I can see I can see the flaws, but to me it was just a fun, it was a fun movie, lots of good setups, lots of good payoffs. I like that uh chain uh Jason has titanium skeleton because when she uh tries to hit him with a chainsaw, sparks fly. So like and he just puts his arm up to defend. So I'm assuming that they just put like a piece of metal in his head. Yeah, he's got a metal sleeve or something, but they were just like, nah, Jason has just got metal skin, it's cool, don't worry about it.

SPEAKER_04 39:54

Um they were using a real chainsaw for that, you know.

SPEAKER_02 39:57

Yeah, you could tell. Uh yeah, because it's you saw at the beginning of the movie. She like I said, it's good set up.

SPEAKER_04 40:02

She's normally, you know, to be all shadowy about it, like um normally you would have uh a gimmicked chainsaw. Yeah, but they had a real chainsaw.

SPEAKER_02 40:16

You could tell it was a real chainsaw because it was a small chainsaw. Because usually the gimmick chainsaws are those like we've seen the gimmick chainsaws, like the Texas chainsaw two chainsaws where you got that's another fun one, too, with Dennis Hopper just like, I'm gonna fuck these dudes up with my movie in 25 years.

SPEAKER_04 40:34

That movie's so funny.

SPEAKER_02 40:35

I think Bill Mosley's in it too, just scratching his head at the the doohickey guy. I do love it.

SPEAKER_04 40:41

I wanna I want to get through all the uh Texas movies at some point.

SPEAKER_02 40:44

Uh but dude, this one like so it's after you say they take him, that's a dream.

SPEAKER_04 40:51

Like, where this is what people have talked about. They've said that um that's how they justify the hair thing. Of course, I told you that I actually genuinely think he just sat down with Satan and Satan's like, I'm gonna teach you hey, hey little Sonny, I'm gonna teach you how to shave finally.

SPEAKER_00 41:06

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 41:07

Or maybe he has alopecia and it all fell out. I don't know. Uh but he uh but it would have been a bit of a bah what did you ask?

SPEAKER_02 41:16

Oh yeah, the dream. Like that was I don't just don't see because they go to the show.

SPEAKER_04 41:20

I don't see it either, but I'll be right back. I get the first one. A lot of people who talked about it has said it was a dream at the end because a lot of the stuff that happened doesn't carry on into the next movie, and a lot of the stuff that happens doesn't hold truth, and you know, this is this actress, the the final girl for this, does not come back ever.

SPEAKER_02 41:41

Is she not in the second? Is she not in the third movie? No.

SPEAKER_04 41:43

Oh. She refused to come back, she decided to quit and become a psychologist.

SPEAKER_02 41:47

Dang. She looks like uh the girl who played Carrie. Yeah. Another girl. Which is where they got the idea. And then that's why they set up which movie was it? Like the fifth one or sixth one where he fights the psychic. Yeah, he cites the psychic. Yeah. Because that was the one that we were supposed to, he was supposed to, they wanted him to fight Carrie or some shit like that. What didn't they? Weren't they supposed to do a Jason? Because that's where they they brought the psychic girl in. Like, because she was supposed to be, they wanted her to be Carrie or some shit. But I think Stephen King was a very like person. Yeah. I would imagine they try to get up with Stephen King and put his cocaine down for two seconds. He's like, let me think about it. No. And then you didn't. I get my own universe to ride. I've got to be sober in a few years.

SPEAKER_03 42:34

Give me a minute.

SPEAKER_04 42:38

As far as I know, they they've wanted to do um in addition to Freddie versus Jason, they wanted to do a pen uh pinhead.

SPEAKER_02 42:46

That would be fun. Freddie versus Cinnabites would be fun. Yeah. Just because you want the experience of pain. And it's just like Jason's just a lot of just a lot of pinhead talking to Jason. Either the two of them.

SPEAKER_05 43:02

It's like.

SPEAKER_02 43:14

What's coming, like an additional centibyte. Like they're trying to recruit him. Yeah, like he would be like they would be like, We like your style, loser. And he's just like, you know, he does oh, sorry, sorry, spilled uh a bit of a Jason accident there.

SPEAKER_04 43:30

Spilled pink energy drink on me.

SPEAKER_02 43:32

Don't get don't give the behind the scenes things away about my pink energy. You must absorb more pink energy. Um but I forgot that threw me off completely. Yep. No. Um 280 HD guys right here. Yeah, dude. No. But this is I I I firmly disagree with you that this was a fun movie. I think that this was a very fun movie, and you are wrong. I mean, I give you fun.

SPEAKER_04 43:53

Like it it was aimed at teenagers in the 80s, and I think it checks all the boxes to do that. Like, it's not that it's a Outright bad movie. And you made an excellent point. The character the actors are able to make you care. And the script is just good enough that it's hanging in there by a thread, but it does you like you can buy into enough moments to go along with it.

SPEAKER_02 44:16

This is something I really like.

SPEAKER_04 44:17

It starts bad and it gets better and then it gets bad at the end.

SPEAKER_02 44:20

It gets really good at like when like okay, because I like this is something I mentioned earlier. I like how they separate half the kids from the like because they're like they real, it's like halfway through the movie they realize the crowd is just too bloated. So they take half of them away. But instead of everybody coming back from the bar, it starts fucking pouring because they show that the other group they rode in the back of the truck.

SPEAKER_04 44:43

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 44:43

Like they were all piled in the back of the truck, and they're not gonna be their responsible counselors, and they're not gonna let them all catch pneumonia and ride back with them. So just Paul and Jenny come back.

SPEAKER_04 44:52

Well, even more than that, in the movie gets down, she wants to get home early, and so they're gonna leave before last call, and then you hear uh Skinny Dude talking about some well, you know, do you know any open after hour spots? Now he's gonna rope everyone into making it an all-nighter.

SPEAKER_02 45:11

Yeah. And that well I have you ever been to an after-hour spot? Uh huh. Have you been to an after-hour spot? No, I don't. I I stopped drinking. No, well, I'm talking about in your younger No, no, even then, I was just like a more of a drinking at home guy. I did. Oh. No, when we want to talk about me being an alcoholic, my alcoholism was more of me going to parties and drinking at the house. That was it was not fun drinking. It was never fun drinking. Oh, I'm sorry to hear that. Or going out of the street.

SPEAKER_04 45:39

I wonder what the slasher rules are for people in recovery. Do they get to live through the slasher film?

SPEAKER_02 45:45

With the sober guys. Well, no, I smoke pot, so I'm gonna I'd still die. You heard it here, folks, ladies and gentlemen.

SPEAKER_04 45:52

I'm sitting beside a criminal.

SPEAKER_02 45:54

No, I I only smoke legal marijuana nowadays. Yeah, so I've done nothing. Although I do drive while marijuana. And I do podcasts while high. So I'm pretty sure both of those things are.

SPEAKER_04 46:09

John Paul Edmondson, the character version of John Paul Edmondson.

SPEAKER_02 46:12

Yeah, no, I would never the real John Paul Edmondson would never do any sorts of drugs, he says, while a bunch of vape smoke falls out of his mouth onto his cool microphones. Yeah, no, no, I'm not a dragon. Uh no. But I'm trying to think. Wha Friday the 13th. It's have you ever gotten a Friday the 13th tattoo? You ever thought about it?

SPEAKER_04 46:30

I have no tattoos.

SPEAKER_02 46:31

You have no tattoos?

SPEAKER_04 46:31

I'm a big lamey. Uh I like uh women with tattoos. I I myself haven't been a character actor as long as I have been. Uh even though I'm technically retired right now from acting. Um I never wanted to do something that permanent that would get in the way of me becoming someone else. Yeah, that makes sense. And I and uh I it's also why like I've never dyed my hair before, but I've never dyed my hair so that I had something about me that was purely me. Because this is not the accent that I originally had. It's changed uh over years of voice manipulation and even the way that I walk, the way that I stand, all of that stuff has been modified by making deliberate choices and then not being able to return back to normal.

SPEAKER_02 47:15

Yeah, no, I've done the same thing a few times here and there. Uh I've I definitely can relate to that. Uh I think now that I've listened, like been in the thing where I talk to myself, I talk more, like and recorded, I realize how nasally How nasally. Yeah, how nasally I sound when I speak, and I just realize I actually do sound like a giant nose with legs when I hear myself back. It's horrible.

SPEAKER_04 47:38

I was nasally once.

SPEAKER_02 47:39

Yeah. Yeah. No, I I can sing not nasally. It's just speaking. I've been talking through my nose since for 36 years now. I'm not gonna stop. Do this thing. If you've I know this is a podcast audio podcast, but Google John don't Google, go to Facebook, go for John Paul Edmondson. I don't know, go to my Instagram, JPE underscore comedy. Look up that goofy face. I forgot where I was talking.

SPEAKER_04 48:02

We we went way off track.

SPEAKER_02 48:04

Way off track.

SPEAKER_04 48:04

We're getting near the end, but before we go, I don't know if you know this. We're both about to do a show together.

SPEAKER_02 48:09

Where at?

SPEAKER_04 48:10

At Patty's Irish Pub. We're both gonna be leprechauns.

SPEAKER_02 48:13

Oh yeah, we're doing the leprechaun. Talk at the Marion Intor, yeah. Um March 17th.

SPEAKER_04 48:20

On no, on actual fucking Paddy's Day. St. Patrick's Day, yeah. I think it's March 17th.

SPEAKER_02 48:24

Is it the 17th? I think it's the 17th, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 48:26

Oh, yeah, yeah, because this is the 13th. So if if you're listening to this and you're in uh uh North Carolina and you're in Fayetteville, you can actually comment and say hello to us and tell us how much you like the podcast and how much more you like it when John Paul's on.

SPEAKER_00 48:40

Oh my god.

SPEAKER_04 48:41

Yeah, I can tell that you do because I can see statistics that prove that you like it so much more when this man is here.

SPEAKER_02 48:46

But no, it's really uh that not after this one, they'll be like, God, he's so loud sometimes. Um but um but I God is I got have usually have improv on Tuesdays too, so they were like, we've we cancelled it for that week just because uh of that. And I was like, well, I'm gonna be doing improv the entire time anyways. I'm an actor. Yeah, no.

SPEAKER_04 49:05

It was fun. I got roped into it like halfway through last year. Yeah, it's the first time going into it.

SPEAKER_02 49:09

It's a fun thing, I think. Like just being a you we just are basically just gonna go and be hypemened while other people while people get drunk uh on St. Patrick's Day, which is fun to do.

SPEAKER_04 49:18

You know, I I didn't tell you this. I'm thinking about very seriously like doubling down on lore and like building a whole back character and like talking about like as much, you know, if I can like leprechaun lore as possible.

SPEAKER_02 49:33

Oh geez, like the blarney you gotta learn about Blarney stones and Shillelys and freaking you gotta figure out you gotta have a pot of gold hidden somewhere.

SPEAKER_04 49:41

My dream is to get Patty to do um uh an episode on the leprechaun.

SPEAKER_02 49:46

Oh, that'd be fun. That would be a lot of fun.

SPEAKER_01 49:48

Like, I love that Jennifer Aniston. Oh, I masturbated her all the time. It was like, all right, Patty, okay. You'll be like, there's the movie's shit, but that Jennifer Aniston. The movie's a bunch of shit, but I love that Jennifer Aniston.

SPEAKER_04 49:59

That is this is a cool dude. And that's why I'm I'm like free plugging the the event because I just love it. It's like uh an institution in my uh the town I grew up.

SPEAKER_02 50:08

Oh yeah, dude. No, it's uh it's a whole lot uh doing all that stuff. I like being uh characters and dressing up and being silly. That's like one of my favorite things, like just being publicly silly. This doesn't have anything to do with uh Father 13th.

SPEAKER_04 50:22

No, well, I mean it does because we're wrapping things up, and so I thought it would be best to say you can enjoy this man's talents.

SPEAKER_00 50:32

Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_04 50:32

This is my first time being able to plug something that's about to happen.

SPEAKER_00 50:36

Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_04 50:36

So I thought, you know, why not? Especially because we're gonna be there together. Oh yeah. Oh yeah. Doing jigs, as they say.

SPEAKER_02 50:44

I'll be doing so many jigs. I jig on the jugs, is what they say. You know, I've got a juggling.

SPEAKER_04 50:50

It won't be jigsawing, though. No jigsaws.

SPEAKER_02 50:52

No. Because if we did that, we'd have to be game over. But that's for another time, I think. Want to play a game? Hello, Mr. Anderson. Don't you see my nuts? It's like, no, jigsaw, stop. Oh god. Oh man, I I feel bad though. We didn't set, I was so excited to talk about this movie. We didn't I didn't set it up with the because I was so bored. I didn't well last time I did the whole, oh, we're at a spooky camp and we're uh I set the atmosphere the whole time because I did not want to talk about the first movie. I was so bored about the first movie, dude. Like I I really got too excited. I think I got too excited about this this movie, and I do apologize.

SPEAKER_04 51:24

What's funny is like he's saying like he's set up and and you feel like he's like talking lies, but we're recording in the same place. We are in nature for the recording of this.

SPEAKER_02 51:33

Yeah, but last time I was all like we're at a camp. I was I was playing it up more that we were playing at Camp Camp Crystal Lake once again.

SPEAKER_04 51:43

Both of us were not in the mood. It's a good thing that he gets to go and perform. See, I'm still on a hiatus from stand-up.

SPEAKER_02 51:49

Going out to do stand-up tonight, yeah. And I've got I've got stand-up tonight.

SPEAKER_04 51:52

Well, they can't.

SPEAKER_02 51:54

That's all of it. Yeah, we won't.

SPEAKER_04 51:56

Where can someone see you? Is there somewhere you normally do stand-up that we can point them towards? No, I'll tell you this. John Paul Edmondson is hilarious. And I have said it before, and I'll say it again publicly. He is my favorite comedian in uh this region.

SPEAKER_02 52:15

And I hate doing stand-up comedy. He does, he hates it, but I I like and begging him to keep doing it. You can find me doing improv every Fourth Friday starting uh this month of March. Uh where our troop is going to be doing. And this will also be in the town of Fayetteville. In downtown Fayetteville, we're gonna be doing live uh along with the rest of the Fourth Friday stuff. We're doing live on the street improv. And I'm excited for that.

SPEAKER_04 52:37

So so you know what the roots of that is. That's actually the roots of improv is street improv uh comedia del arte.

SPEAKER_02 52:44

Oh shit. I've heard of that.

SPEAKER_04 52:45

Yeah, you should look into that because it's like a whole fucking like thing.

SPEAKER_02 52:49

One thing I'd like to do is just take this setup and just go out and interview people on the road. But we can talk about I'll I'll you might see me doing that some other time. You can check out my Instagram, my socials uh JPE underscore comedy, and uh my podcast with Zach Blackfire. Also, that's I think I'm pretty sure that's his Instagram, is just Zach Blackfire. You can catch me and him every Wednesday.

SPEAKER_04 53:07

I think fire's spelled with a Y.

SPEAKER_02 53:08

Yes, yes, just like our podcast name.

SPEAKER_04 53:11

And I am uh Topher Mac. You can find me at Topher TV on Instagram, and uh yeah, we have a Facebook fan page now. We have an Instagram now. I am going to I'm almost at the precipice of actually using that Instagram uh the way that you're supposed to, because we're gonna start doing some polls here and there. I'm gonna ask some questions. So I do want you to subscribe or follow us if you got the InstaSham. InstaSham. You know, you gotta let us know what's up.

SPEAKER_02 53:40

Like InstaSham.

SPEAKER_04 53:41

And you find us at Shadows That Shine because this is Shadows That Shine, a movie podcast.

SPEAKER_02 53:47

Shadows That Shine with Topha Mack.

SPEAKER_04 53:51

And special guest of the week.

SPEAKER_02 53:53

We will cut that and put it at the beginning. You didn't say the name of the podcast at all there at the beginning.

SPEAKER_04 54:00

Uh it's fine. Okay. Um it's this is a special episode. If they're listening, that's because they want to be here. Thanks.

SPEAKER_00 54:05

Uh thanks for listening.

SPEAKER_04 54:06

And uh, you know, this is season one. We're still figuring everything out. By season two, we'll start having like an elevated uh like there'll be a theme song and there'll be some things like that.

SPEAKER_03 54:16

Fancy.

SPEAKER_04 54:17

And then season three is when we'll throw video in and we'll be like because John John Paul's uh podcast is on YouTube, it is a visual podcast.

SPEAKER_02 54:26

Yeah, a video of us sitting in static in one spot for an hour. It's awesome. I'm like, why can't this be an audio-only podcast? And my co-host refuses. But Tokyo, thanks for having me on. Like, this has been a lot of fun. I had I'm peeking the audio here at the end uh with my enthusiasm. That's the way to do it. And I do apologize if the audio does is a little dicey throughout.

SPEAKER_04 54:46

But it's because um Jason Voorhees Starked and killed uh our engineer.

SPEAKER_02 54:55

I I want to do some Jason quotes, but there are none.

SPEAKER_04 54:57

So I'm gonna do my favorite Jason quote right now. You ready? Go ahead.

SPEAKER_02 55:04

Oh, I love it, dude. I know, right? My favorite one is when he goes, um Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 55:14

So good. I love what he says on that. With that, ladies and gentlemen, this has been Shadows Shadows That Shine, a movie podcast. I've been Top Body!