Topic: Bio-Dome (1996) CoHost: Zak Blackfyre

What better way to celebrate Earth Day than to have Topher Mac be joined by Zak and JP’s Burnt Out High Jynx cohost Zak Blackfyre!  That’s right.. we had John Paul on twice so we had to bring on the hilarious hippie to show we have no real favorites among the funny folks at our rival podcast. 

This week we are covering Pauly Shore’s worst movie (spoiler alert, we still like it even though it’s bad) and going tangent heavy.  We hope you enjoy this one, don’t forget to subscribe Buuuu-ddy! (Then go to YouTube and listen to their podcast too!)

Transcript

SPEAKER_02 0:01

Alright, Shadows That Shine, a movie podcast. This is the part where I would normally it could be a little closer than that. This is the part where I would normally say some really interesting fact about like cinema and like oh it started with the fucking horse running and all that stuff, right? Yeah. Yeah, not today because I just left the movie theater, the cinema. The cinema. Cinema Pinkies in the air. Okay. Pinky's up. Yeah, yeah. Here's the problem with that. I went to see Super Mario Bros. Galaxy. Yeah. Yeah. And you're over here like, oh no, someone else who didn't like Super Mario Bros. Galaxy. Wrong. You did like it? I thought it was just fine. Oh. First of all, I don't like animated films. You don't know that because you don't listen to the pod. You just don't it.

SPEAKER_01 0:51

Let's put it this way. I listen to every single episode. Bullshit, dude. I edit my own podcast and I don't even listen to it. Hey, that makes two of us.

SPEAKER_02 1:01

That makes two of us. But today we gotta talk about some fun stuff. We we will, we will. But before we get into that, by the way, this is Zach African-American. I'm sorry, Blackfire. Yeah, you can say it. I can say it now.

SPEAKER_01 1:13

Republican president. You can say it now.

SPEAKER_02 1:15

You know what's fucked about that is Zach Blackfire is not African American at all. No. Uh, but I just can't let go of this. I said that joke in a comedy uh club uh a gajillion months ago a while ago, and it was fucking hilarious.

SPEAKER_01 1:30

And I just can't not say it now. We can't curse, right? You can say whatever the fuck you want. I haven't heard you curse yet, and I just dropped an F-bomb. I wanted to make sure before I continue. I appreciate that because this is live to tape.

SPEAKER_02 1:41

There is no editing anything out. There you go. Um, it is what it is. We live where we live in the moment. Um the moment. Yes. Right. Uh so I wanted to actually talk shit about my local AMC. Why? What happened? I went to see at IMAX. Part of the reason I went to specifically today is because Michael is coming out uh in two days. Okay. From the day that we're recording. That we're recording, yeah. And uh I needed to know if they had fixed this speaker that is uh fucked up into IMAX.

SPEAKER_01 2:16

Oh no.

SPEAKER_02 2:16

This is a premium screen.

SPEAKER_01 2:18

You pay extra money to do it. This isn't no $18 regular ticket we're talking about. I love that you're like $18. First of all, I got the A-list, so Pinkies at my. Oh, there we go. Oh, yeah, we're gonna keep the Pinkies up the whole episode. I'm telling you, I'm so pretentious.

SPEAKER_02 2:32

Have you ever heard me speak and discuss motion picture?

SPEAKER_01 2:37

It's only been a fortnight.

SPEAKER_02 2:39

I mean, for God's sake, I call movies shadows. Shadows, not shine, but shine. Yeah, man. Uh, here's the thing. I had a discussion before I went in with the manager, yeah, knowing that it was broke, but it was a very friendly, like, oh, we both love movies. Yeah, and she was really cool. And I'm like, enjoying this conversation, right? Yeah, and I was like, Did you guys fix the speaker yet? And they said, We had someone come in from IMAX. Yeah, swears that it's fixed, and then she pauses and she goes, I don't think it's fixed.

SPEAKER_01 3:12

No, at least she was honest with you. She could have fucking lied. Yeah, she was really cool about it.

SPEAKER_02 3:16

I said, Okay, well, I'll let you know, like when I'm done, I'm gonna come back out. I go, I see the thing, I come back out. Different manager. Oh she's heavier. Uh-oh.

SPEAKER_01 3:26

She's friendlier, but not like exterior friendlier.

SPEAKER_02 3:32

Very uh, you know that she got into management because her customer service game is on point. Okay. So at least she's taking it serious. Yeah, like I mean, well, she's not taking it serious. That's not the same thing as having good. See, that's that's where the anger comes in. Uh-oh. That's where my inner Karen, my my Caucasian-ness shoots up from outside and says, grrr. Uh, I go, hey, like, I just wanted to let you guys know. And she goes, Oh, I already heard about you. It was in the notes that you mentioned, and that you think that it has to do with the frequency. Um, but I'm here to tell you that you're wrong. And I said, I'm wrong. Okay. Because it's still damaged.

SPEAKER_01 4:12

I just got out of the movie. You just got out.

SPEAKER_02 4:14

I was gonna give you more feedback and try to help you guys solve this problem because people are paying extra money to be in an IMAX theater. So, you know, I love movies, I want movies to succeed. Obviously. If I didn't have A-list, I would stop going to this theater and go somewhere else. Which is good information for them to have. And she goes, Well, that's very nice of you to report and let us know. But we already know, and here's the thing it's not the sound speakers. No. I we had someone come in and I said, Well, they need to replace the speakers. What she doesn't know is the person earlier told me that they didn't replace the speakers. And she goes, Well, they replaced the speakers and it's still damaged. It's the movie, the movie's mixes are causing this robotic sound. And I said, You're telling me that two movies I've seen in this cinema by two different studios have the exact same problem, yeah. The exact same space, caused by the exact same frequency overload. Yeah, and it I and it it is a studio problem, not a IMAX. It's not AMC. I I don't know if you know this. IMAX is a separate thing. They have to have a contract, uh, they have special people that service their uh everything, their screens, their projectors, and their audience. They have their own people that they have to bring in and do stuff for those yeah, yeah, for those ones. Uh, and it's separate people than the rest of the theater. Oh my god, that's a nightmare to begin with. There's another one for Dolby, which by the way, for the record, I'm saying right now on the podcast, Dolby is the superior way to watch a movie.

SPEAKER_01 5:54

You heard it here first, folks.

SPEAKER_02 5:56

It is. I I've never seen, uh I've never had a better experience than Dolby. The audio is better, the visual, believe it or not, better as well. Okay. Because they have I'll take your word on that. They have what's called true black. So when something's black, it's black. I don't like it. We all know that Tophama Mac loves black.

SPEAKER_01 6:14

Yes, that's been in the history books, it's been written down, chiseled in stone, as it were. Even if black doesn't love me. Well, Blackfire does. All right, I'm halfway there. I don't know, you're pretty pale.

SPEAKER_03 6:29

I'm like an eighth of the way there.

SPEAKER_01 6:30

I believe you're blacker than I am.

SPEAKER_02 6:34

Um, so yes, uh we had this discussion and she treated me like I was an idiot, and I'm so angry that I'm thinking about contacting IMAX.

SPEAKER_01 6:44

Dude, the fact that you went in there and told her specifically what the problem was and what was going on, and she tried to be like, actually, should tell her right away that you knew more than she did. And I said to her, I was like, look, I used to do lighting and sound on Broadway.

SPEAKER_02 6:58

Um I don't know everything, like I'm not like an expert, but what I heard, it sounds like a very specific problem with a very specific area. And if it and I was about to get into, well, if they replace the speaker and it's still broken, then you have a wire issue and possibly an electricity issue. That would make sense. Either of those things, you really want to fix this problem before it's worse. Yeah. Um so long story, uh staying long instead of extra long. I walked out in a huff and then I googled both AMC's top management and uh IMAX's top management. Ooh. I'm gonna sleep on it before I do anything.

SPEAKER_01 7:43

Ooh, she pissed you off enough where Topher's gonna become a Karen.

SPEAKER_02 7:46

I am so good. I care in too much about this.

SPEAKER_01 7:50

To whom it may concern.

SPEAKER_02 7:52

I just want you to know that the entire we have military people in this town, damn it. They serve the country. You can serve them better.

SPEAKER_01 8:03

Yeah, they go out there and risk their lives every day. When they come back and they want to enjoy a good movie on an IMAX theater, this is the bullshit you're pulling.

SPEAKER_02 8:11

It's 2026. Good movies pushing it. Yeah, I'll give you that. Can't really argue with you on that one. Though I have to admit, I did like I don't know if you've seen Project Home Area, but that's so far winning the year.

SPEAKER_01 8:22

Hell yeah. No, the last movie I saw in theater, and uh a lot of people give me shit for this, was Oppenheimer. Oppenheimer, but yes. I say open to piss people off. You succeeded, sir. Just to see that anger get in people's faces, giant Christopher Nolan film. Which uh, by the way, that movie bombed really bad in Japan. So that's the second time that Oppenheimer has bombed in Japan, dude.

SPEAKER_02 8:46

God, I'm so glad that uh this is a good good time as any to let everyone know. I'm sitting with Zach Blackfire. He's a comedian. He is not a comedian.

SPEAKER_01 8:57

I don't know where he is, a comedian.

SPEAKER_02 8:58

Thank you, even though he does tell jokes, which does technically make him a comic.

SPEAKER_01 9:02

I I say funny things, I don't say things funny, which makes me a fucking comic, and I hate the word comic. If it helps you're funny looking. That's true. That's why I like to put my face out there. That's right.

SPEAKER_02 9:11

Uh, he is also a podcast host, uh co-host of Zach and JP's burnt out hijinks.

SPEAKER_01 9:18

I'm glad you finished it. New episodes. I got you. New episodes every Wednesday.

SPEAKER_02 9:22

Every Wednesday on YouTube only.

SPEAKER_01 9:24

No, we're on YouTube, Facebook, Instagram, Pornhub, man. We're out there. Are you really on Pornhub? We tried. We didn't want to pay for the VMB.

SPEAKER_02 9:32

Oh, I was about to be really happy. That was about to make my day.

SPEAKER_01 9:35

We tried, man. As soon as we saw the prices for the fucking package for it, we're like, uh, I guess not. Because that would have been yeah, that's specifically chose my word on that one. I think it'd be fucking hilarious to have a podcast on Pornhub. Yeah. Especially a comedy one. Yeah. Hey guys, you just finished putting your meat away. You want to watch something funny?

SPEAKER_02 9:56

It's time to come down from that high and start a new high with us. Um, Zach uh is dressed as a I would call modern hippie.

SPEAKER_01 10:08

Yeah, especially without the dreadlocks nowadays. I miss those dreads, but you know what? I get it. Yeah. I'm down to my knees, man. I was done with that. I was sick of wrapping around my neck just to take a shit. Beats washing your hair afterwards, I promise you.

SPEAKER_02 10:25

He's got the tie-dye and everything. And and I just uh when I decided on the subject matter for today, I I thought if there's one man in the state of North Carolina that I can turn to and trust to have an interesting take on this movie that we're gonna cover, which I'm not gonna keep a mystery because you clicked on the episode, so you know we're talking about that Polly Shore genius.

SPEAKER_01 10:51

Oh, dude, I love Polly. That's why I'm gonna talk to it, uh, talk to you about it, Toper!

SPEAKER_03 10:57

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 10:57

You understand, buddy. Are you not?

SPEAKER_02 11:02

Uh we're gonna get into that a wee bit later. Uh, but first we're gonna take a little pause and um and then we'll get back and talk about the box office. It's everyone's favorite part of the show. Yay, numbers! I fuck you guys. I like it. I'm sorry that y'all don't. I'm figuring out ways to make it more interesting. I'm trying.

SPEAKER_01 11:23

I think it's interesting to go through the numbers, so I'm with you on that.

SPEAKER_02 11:26

That makes me happy.

SPEAKER_01 11:28

I'll probably be the first and only guest you have that's like, hell yeah, dude. Let's talk about the numbers.

SPEAKER_02 11:32

The guy last week, uh Graham Taylor, uh, was the only other person who was like, yay, numbers.

SPEAKER_01 11:38

Well, I think I brought up the numbers for this movie before you did today.

SPEAKER_02 11:42

In the pre in the pre-show interview. So we're gonna get going. We'll be right back in just a minute. You are listening to Zach Blackfire, you are uh listening to his co-host, Topher Mac, and you are listening to Shadows That Shine, a movie podcast.

SPEAKER_00 12:02

You're listening to Shadows That Shine, a movie podcast, starring Topher Mac. Here's your host, Topher Mack.

SPEAKER_02 12:19

All right, and we're back, and that was JP himself, John Paul Edmondson. Edmondson You know, I I never shy away from saying, and no offense to you, because you're pretty fucking hilarious yourself. Appreciate that. But he is my favorite comedian in North Carolina.

SPEAKER_01 12:36

Oh, he's the silliest bitch you'll ever find, dude. I love that guy so much. It's the reason he's on this great podcast called Zack and JP's burnt out hij. And y'all talk about comedy, right? All the time. Oh, anything funny.

SPEAKER_02 12:48

I bet that brings in the bucks.

SPEAKER_01 12:50

No. The money. It pays about as much as comedy pays.

SPEAKER_02 12:53

Oh, but you know what does make money? Movies. Uh if they're good. Uh, well, that's not true, and I'm about to prove it to you. Ladies and gentlemen, it's time to talk about the box office. Um, as always, ladies and gentlemen, we are ladies and gentlemen, ladies and gentlemen, ladies and gentlemen, ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls, children of all ages. Oh, yes. Uh, we talk about domestic weekend winners here. Okay. That's that's where our focal point is. Who won the weekend? You tell me. I I I I will. Super Mario. The Super Mario Brothers, I'm sorry, the Super Mario Galaxy Movie. Yes. Is the official title. It brought in another $36.5 million for Universal Studios. That brings its total so far to $356.7 million. That's domestically. $394 million internationally for a total of $750.7 million dollars on a $110 million budget.

SPEAKER_01 13:55

Oh, it made a little bit of money.

SPEAKER_02 13:57

Just a little bit. That's why Universal has been able to big dick swing into this thing. Is that a is that just budget? Hold on. Uh, yeah, that's just budget. Um I'll address that in a second. Uh, but that's why Universals can big dick energy their way and go, we're not just doing four weeks no more, y'all. No, we're going to five and then six. And if y'all motherfuckers don't think we will, watch us go to eight after that.

SPEAKER_01 14:21

Look at Frozen. Frozen kept that in the theaters for I don't even know how long.

SPEAKER_02 14:26

Yeah. Ever. But we're talking about an exclusive window. Yeah, yeah. Um, and they're leading the charge to expand that, which is great for business. To the point of what uh Zach just said. When we say budgets, we are talking about just this is what it costs to make the movie. Yeah. Um I don't have super duper reliable information for them. Yeah. For the marketing and everything. But for our our top two films, they actually have like publicly said this is what our budgets are. For other things, I have to dig a little deeper. Yeah. May or may not be reliable numbers, but none of it includes marketing. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 15:03

And that's usually a good chunk of it, too.

SPEAKER_02 15:06

Specifically, whatever the budget is, I don't know if you know this. Uh double yes, it is not double, but like exactly what the budget is. They would do half or the same. Yeah. Depending on how much faith they have in a movie. So if it had 110 million in budget, it's got uh at least 100 million for marketing.

SPEAKER_01 15:28

And still, even if they even if they doubled it, that is a good chunk of change that Universal is bringing in. Oh yeah. Oh my god, that's uh that's a bit.

SPEAKER_02 15:40

I I think that they stand a chance to. Yeah, you've seen it, so I have to ask. I haven't seen it yet. I did see it, and uh, you know, a lot of people have said a lot of negative things about it, and I'm sitting there watching it going, where's all the negativity coming from? This is a perfectly fine movie.

SPEAKER_01 15:55

Topher, it is 2026. You gotta be negative about everything now.

SPEAKER_02 15:58

Well, even the concerns that they brought up, which I know this is a box office section, but you know, whatever. Um even the concerns that they have don't make sense to me. They're like, oh, they're they're being too referential to other stuff. And I'm like, well, they did something different with this movie than they did with the first, and they are being referential, but they're building a movie universe. Yeah. You think Nintendo's gonna stop at two movies? And they're not doing it as obnoxiously as Marvel had been the last few years. A few years, a few decades. Well, you know, I'm trying to be polite. You are being polite. I like the first three phases minus two movies. Yeah, that was six years ago, buddy, when it ended.

SPEAKER_03 16:39

Oh.

SPEAKER_02 16:41

Real quick, side tangent. Did you know that they're re-releasing Endgame with additional footage? Are you serious? Yeah. How much money do you think that's gonna? We'll talk about that later. Yeah, yeah. Bring it back up when we get into the coming soon. Oh god. Hopefully, we have time to talk about it because I'm chatty today. Hell yeah. Second place, Project Hell Mary brought 20.5 million more to Amazon MGM Studios. Nice chunk of change. It's not too shabby. That brings their domestic total to 285.2 million, 288 million internationally for a total of 573.2 million to this 200 million dollar budgeted uh uh awesomeness.

SPEAKER_01 17:23

It's a pretty good number, but after hearing uh how good Super Mario did, or yeah, but I gotta be honest with you, man.

SPEAKER_02 17:32

I I am definitely on Project Hell Mary's side. Yeah. Was it better? I did fuck yeah. You didn't even hesitate. I think I think right now the front runner for best movie so far this year is Project Hell Mary. Now it hasn't gone up against its tough every one of my favorite directors has a movie coming out this year. That every living director except for Quentin Tarantino, everyone in my top ten has a movie coming out. Any of them competing? So Project Hell Mary has tough tough up against competition. Um and uh speaking of people I never heard of because that's what we were talking about, right? No? Yeah, yeah, 100%. Third place was the new release of the week, Lee Cronin's the Mummy. It made $13.5 million for Warner Brothers. Uh, in addition to that 13.5 million domestically, it brought in 21 million internationally for a total of 34.4 million dollars. What's that budget? I'm gonna say 150. 22 million.

SPEAKER_01 18:41

Really?

SPEAKER_02 18:42

Yeah, you can't always have 150 million dollar movies. Yeah, but still. Only an idiot would do that. Plus, it's Warner Brothers, and they're barely in business. I mean only for like the past eight years. They're only the number two studio. I don't know if you know that. They're the number two studio. They used to be. They really are like, and they were the number two earner last year. I gotta look into that. That's crazy. Yeah, if you would have listened, if I had to. It's in the pilot episode. It was Disney. Sorry, Tover. Disney made the most and then Warner Brothers. Just lock me in the basement.

SPEAKER_01 19:18

I'll watch it all right now.

SPEAKER_02 19:19

Last place Paramount comes walking in and says, We're gonna buy number two and ruin movies for everybody.

SPEAKER_01 19:25

If you had asked me, I would have said I think Paramount would be at number two. Paramount's in fifth.

SPEAKER_02 19:29

Paramount has always been in last place since they got rid of Marvel. Yeah, well, that makes sense. I mean, it wasn't exactly their choice.

SPEAKER_01 19:38

Get cash thrown at you. That happens, man. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 19:42

Yeah. Well, Disney, I don't know if you know, but Disney bought all of it. The distribution. No, they didn't own Marvel, but like they bought the uh the distribution distribution? Thank you. Distribution rights to Avengers. Oh, okay. And I think also Captain America. God, that's a lawyer nightmare, right there. Oh yeah, but they they at the time Paramount was such a uh big show. Again, no, they were last place. They I know these are the people that the cone heads, which I love the cone heads. Look, I didn't say they don't make good movies. All right, South Park Bigger Longer Uncut. That's Paramount.

SPEAKER_01 20:19

Amazing movie.

SPEAKER_02 20:19

Fantastic. But it's been a it's been a while since Paramount has done anything massive.

SPEAKER_01 20:26

Bigger Longer Uncut came out only 27 years ago. Please calm down there, Topher. Yeah, so it is short 27 years.

SPEAKER_02 20:33

The family that own Paramount don't own it no more. Now it's um oh yeah, I'm supposed to avoid politics. Uh moving on to fourth place. The drama that would be A24's um offering. 4.8 million dollars added makes it 39.7 million dollars domestically, 43.1 million internationally for a total of 82.7 million on a 25 to 28 million dollar uh uh budget. What we're saying here is Zandaya is a box office draw, has been for a while now. Yep. This is a movie that has officially made money. Good, and that's good because A24 is film nerds uh you know, that's the closest to that's the bread and butter, baby. Yeah, we we love those small budget movies making big money. Uh but uh as opposed to A24 doing well with this, uh Universal Pictures, not as much. Uh-oh. They're in fifth place with you, me, and Tuscany. I haven't even heard of that one. Yeah, I know, right? I hadn't heard of it, and I'm a movie nerd. Yeah, uh, this they've been out for I think two or three weeks now. They brought in $3.9 million, 14.5 million total, uh domestically, 2.3 million internationally. So, you know, they love it overseas. I'm waiting to hear the cost. That's a total of 16.7 million dollars is. Brought in for a uh budget of 18 million.

SPEAKER_01 22:03

Oh, yeah, that's like the movie we're gonna be talking about later.

SPEAKER_02 22:06

So when you're over there like, oh, universe is kicking ass with that Mario Bros money. Yeah, no. No, Mario's paying for the little guys to get to make their uh their things heavily.

unknown 22:17

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 22:18

Uh that brings your weekend totals to 95 million dollars. That is down 25.2% from last week. But hey, hey, don't feel too bad because coming up this week, we're gonna tell you about it later, is a movie that is sure to make those numbers shoot the fuck up. Oh boy. I think I bet they triple. I I I'm gonna say I think that the the total weekend box office will triple for this week.

SPEAKER_01 22:44

Okay, let me write that down so I can call you out on it later.

SPEAKER_02 22:47

He's got the mic attached to a pen, and he's literally writing call tofer out because he's fucking nuts.

SPEAKER_01 22:54

Triple or call. Topher Mac.

SPEAKER_02 23:00

Lastly? Yeah, I'm gonna. I'm gonna. Um, instead of breaking, like I would normally do, let's just pop straight into recently viewed. Okay. That's that's the segment I like to go to next on Shadows That Shine, the movie podcast.

unknown 23:14

Boom.

SPEAKER_02 23:15

And again, I'm Topher Mac, and you are Topher Mack.

SPEAKER_01 23:19

No, you're not. Oh, I'm Zach Blackfire. I messed that up.

SPEAKER_02 23:22

I just want to make sure, because I don't know about you, but when I listen to podcasts, I don't like not hearing them say their name. And like I need them to say their name.

SPEAKER_01 23:29

Yeah, I'm like, dude, I wasn't paying attention the first five seconds. I missed the intro.

SPEAKER_03 23:34

Wait a minute. Who's this host? They both sound like white men that are a little bit overweight. I can't tell them apart.

SPEAKER_01 23:41

One of them smells like weed. It's not the one you think. I wish, man. Maybe I could stop getting searched.

SPEAKER_02 23:49

So, like I was saying before, Super Mario Galaxy, I thought was just fine. Yeah. Just fine. I I think that it was worth the money to go and see it. Had I not had a list, it would have still been worth a ticket.

SPEAKER_01 24:04

Yeah. Um I'm not surprised. That thing brought in money.

SPEAKER_02 24:09

Yeah. And as while I had issues with Donkey Kong in the first one, the surprise pop-in for this one I don't have issues with. Good. They prepared you. No, it's just I thought they did it more seriously. It was a better, it was a better use of a character in the plot. I did not feel as shoe feel as shoehorned as everyone else thinks. Oh so I also last night went and watched They Will Kill You. Who's gonna kill me? My man Zach is looking at me like right now, like I don't know what the fuck you're talking about. Do you remember Deadpool 2? Yeah. Do you remember the the lucky character Domino? Yeah, she was like the best part of that movie. Exactly. Super hot too, in my opinion. Yeah. Not that that means anything other than she's super hot. It means check out her movies. Well, she's the star of this movie. Oh, I'll have to go see it then. It is a I I guess they were trying to market as a horror film, but I think it's an action film with horror elements. It's one of those mixed ones. Yes, and it feels very uh Dante's Inferno, but you know, different. I liked it, it wasn't a masterpiece, but it was good. It was a it's the kind of movie that I'll re-watch a bunch in the future. Yeah. But you know how you got those movies you watch when you don't want to be all the way dedicated into watching it?

SPEAKER_01 25:36

But yeah, unfortunately, I need the sound in the background, it needs to be at least a little bit entertaining for when I pay attention. One of those things. Exactly.

SPEAKER_02 25:42

And this is perfect for that. Okay. I think that it, I think that it has a long shelf life to it. Okay. Uh, she's badass in it, she looks great. The person playing her sister, awesome. She looks great too. Yes. Did I mention I like women of color? What can I say? That's what I was saying earlier. Um, but also they just did a good job. And it's an interesting enough story, but it's not like it ain't Shakespeare. Yeah. You can't have that for everything, man. No, you don't want it to be for everything, and we're gonna get into that in a few minutes when we get to the main subject. Hell yeah. Uh, I also watched a movie, and I I'm really curious if you've ever heard of this old 90s film. Here we go. SLC Punk.

SPEAKER_01 26:23

You mean Salt Lake City Punk?

SPEAKER_02 26:25

No, you heroin Bob. Oh, you do. I do. I just ran. Um I subscribe to the Criterion Channel. They don't pay me to say that. I just believe I just I just believe in the product. I do. They they spend a lot of money restoring old and important films and making sure that cinema lives on. That's one of them. And I love them for it, so I have no problem plugging them. They have a streaming service that has uh old movies, weird movies, international movies. That's excellent. Anime. And which one is that? It's called the Criterion Channel. And I uh checked out SLC Punk. For those at home who've never heard of this, it is a weird fucking movie starring Matthew Willard. And honestly, I Shaggy himself. Yeah. And it's um weird and transgressive, and that's all I'm gonna give you. It's worth your time to watch at least once.

SPEAKER_01 27:21

I think it's only like an hour and 34 minutes, too. It's not a long movie. It's a good movie to watch and be like, wow, that was not what I was ready for.

SPEAKER_02 27:29

It's a quick thing, and like when you sit there, like it might be worth a deep dive down in the future if I get the right person to do it with.

SPEAKER_01 27:36

Yeah. I don't think I'd be your right guy for that one, but it's definitely worth the talk.

SPEAKER_02 27:40

No, I I can't not sure who it would be. Yeah, that's a tough one. At some point, I'm gonna have the right anarchist asshole to to bring in.

SPEAKER_01 27:48

I'm all about drugs and hugs, man. Oh yeah, that's definitely uh an angry. That's like coming up to me and be like, hey, let's talk about American History X. No, I'm not doing that. No, we know who to go for that. What's up, Ryan?

SPEAKER_02 28:01

I know you're not gonna be able to do that. I say, but I know he's not listening. Um, I also watched uh another movie I'm sure that you've heard of, Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy. Hell yeah, I got the book too. Second time I've ever seen the movie. First time since I became a movie nerd. Okay. Um, I liked it a lot more this time.

SPEAKER_01 28:22

I feel like uh just the story itself grows on you with age. I think so. Yeah. Like it's entertaining when you're younger. When you grow up a little bit more, you're like, all right, I kind of get this part. And then you'll watch it five years later, you're like, all right, I like this part too now. Yeah. So that's good.

SPEAKER_02 28:36

Uh you know, I also it's from a cinema nerd, like from a creator point of view, you're sitting there going, okay, now I get why casting people that you know about matters, because now I know who uh I'm bad with names if you don't know, and you don't because you don't listen, but I'm so bad with names. The guy from the original office is the lead in this. Oh, um fuck.

SPEAKER_01 29:01

Yes, him. Yeah. Um, wait. Oh fuck, that was his name.

SPEAKER_02 29:06

Yes. Thank you, uh, person shouting at the podcast. I know that some of the people have wrote me and said that they do this, that they shout the names. Uh, and I appreciate you for it. Uh shout out to Oh fuck. Uh he was great in it. Zoe De Chanel. I mean, that's my white girl type. Like pale skin, dark hair, nerdiest buck, secret talent. Say what? She kills it. She's great in the movie. Yeah, like absolutely. I still think the best she's ever done is that movie she did with Paul Rudd. You know the one where Paul Rudd gets uh trying to think sells the weed to the cop and it and then he has to live with his sisters. Yeah, and the dog. Uh they stole the dog. Yeah. I should know the name of this. It's not like I'm a a self-professed movie expert.

SPEAKER_01 29:53

I just watch old movies. When I say old, I mean anything that's 15 years or older. Well, know which movie it is.

SPEAKER_02 29:58

This would be about 15 years old. Yeah, man, we're getting old, man. Yeah. Anyways, uh, they were great, and then I fucking love most deaf, and he's in it. Yeah. And anytime most deaf shows up, because I, you know, a couple weeks ago watched the Italian job. Perfect movie with him. He just keeps sneaking up into my fucking cues, and I'm like, ah, most deaf.

SPEAKER_01 30:19

You know why he listens to the podcast, and he's like, all right, Topher needs me in this one now.

SPEAKER_02 30:22

I don't know, man. I got people all over the world listening.

SPEAKER_01 30:25

That's what I'm saying.

SPEAKER_02 30:26

Yep, that's right.

SPEAKER_01 30:26

I was like, Most Def's probably like, oh, I gotta get back in the game now.

SPEAKER_02 30:30

I thought I thought it was scammy at first, but I got some like repeat listeners in Ireland. Yeah, dude. And I was like, don't. And then also in the UK. Um, and yeah, no, it's fucking exciting to have anyone give a shit about me. Uh not in real life. Just some podcast lots. I don't know, man. Well, yeah, it's true. Real life is a lot less people care. Have you seen anything of of note lately?

SPEAKER_01 30:59

Uh, nothing that's came out recently. But I mean, like anything that like really uh ginger butter. One of my favorite movies of all time is the original Men in Black. I watch that movie at least once a week. Do you really? I do. I love that movie so much. The other ones that I love, Princess Bride and uh The Mummy, the original mummy with Brendan Fraser. Those are all great choices. Yeah, dude. I always those are like my go-to movies, unless I'm like, you know, I'm a huge Star Wars nerd. So I'm not throwing on anywhere between episodes one and six. You know what? Um, episode eight killed the franchise for me. It killed the franchise for a lot of people. I like I've Ryan Johnson years heard you were such a good director in my eyes up until episode eight.

SPEAKER_02 31:44

Yeah, I yeah, dude, dropped the ball with that one. Well, the problem is like it taught me a lesson I didn't think I would ever be taught. Because I was always like, well, one movie won't kill you. It will. And now I've learned the hard way.

SPEAKER_01 31:58

Like it literally deteriorated my appreciation for if it wasn't Star Wars though, and it was any other movie he just jumped in to do a single episode for, they had another saga that went nine movies long. I don't think it would have bombed as bad. But because it was such a hardcore fan base, you cannot fuck it up like he did. I don't know, man.

SPEAKER_02 32:16

Like, I'm not that fucking hardcore about Star Wars. Like, I like Star Wars a lot. I grew up with it has a special place, but like I didn't hate the huge nervous. I didn't hate episodes one and three.

SPEAKER_01 32:27

No, I thought they were excellent. Episode two was a little rough. Episode one was really rough.

SPEAKER_02 32:33

I hated Jar Jar Jar, but I feel like two is is the rough point in that trilogy.

SPEAKER_01 32:39

But anybody that's seen one one through three can tell you Revenge of the Sith was fucking amazing. Made it all worth it. Yeah. You're like, okay, cool, I'll sit through the rest of that shit again for just. You can't say about that for anything for seven, eight, or nine.

SPEAKER_02 32:52

I remember walking out of seven, and I and we were just talking about this. Me and my buddy Anthony, uh, and I turned to him and I say, All right, you want to know what I think? I'll tell you exactly what I think. Depending on the next two movies, is how much I love this movie. Exactly. Independent of everything, it's a good movie.

SPEAKER_01 33:11

Yeah. If you were just watching, like, this is the first time you've ever even heard of Star Wars and you threw that one on, you'd be like, Alright, this is good. Yeah. Um then the next two came out. But it will only be a great movie if the next movie's a good movie. And that's because of Lucas. He made everything have to be a fucking trilogy. Well, so you drop the ball in the middle one.

SPEAKER_02 33:34

Well, I mean, it doesn't have to be a trilogy because we'll find out. Yeah, it's gonna. I'm still gonna watch it.

SPEAKER_01 33:45

That's what kills me, Topher. Because I am too.

SPEAKER_02 33:48

You know what I mean? Like, look, I'm not expecting a masterpiece, but like I like if maybe Yoda's fucking cute.

SPEAKER_01 33:54

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 33:54

All right. Same's Grogu. And I'm sure the Grogu is gonna talk. You think he will? I think that they that's the only way you justify a movie. No, they justify a movie with one fucking line.

SPEAKER_01 34:05

Cash signs, that's how they justify.

SPEAKER_02 34:07

Well, I like I the person directing it is someone who I have high regard for.

SPEAKER_01 34:13

So I someone you would admire, you'd say? I do. Okay. So you're trying to put not you're trying not to put all your eggs in one basket on that one, aren't you? Well, I mean, he gave us Iron Man. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 34:26

And even like his indie films are are solid.

SPEAKER_01 34:29

Yeah. Uh even with Iron Man, he took a fucking gamble on goddamn uh Robert Downey, too.

SPEAKER_02 34:35

Yeah. I um by the way, I'm sure you've heard some of these uh ambient noises before we uh switch gears. We are recording outside.

SPEAKER_01 34:45

We are. I live in a cardboard box, and Topher had the grace to come to my house to do this episode.

SPEAKER_02 34:51

I said, Hey man, do you want to talk about poly shore? And I said, Tofer. And speaking of poly shore, uh, that will be the next thing that we do in just a few minutes. We're gonna check out some poly shore. Um boy you're listening to Shadows That Shine, a movie podcast. Boom, bum, bum, bum, bum, boom.

SPEAKER_01 35:13

Okay, and we're back. And we're live from Zack's cardboard box.

SPEAKER_03 35:18

Oh yeah. Oh yeah. Zach.

SPEAKER_02 35:28

Zach Blackstone. No, Blackfire. Blackstone. There used to be a restaurant down the street from your box called Blackstone. Oh, yeah, that's where I got the box.

unknown 35:38

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 35:38

Is there? Oh man, it's such a small world. It's small world.

SPEAKER_01 35:44

Some of what was said just now is true.

SPEAKER_02 35:47

Um we'll let you people at home figure out which parts.

SPEAKER_04 35:50

That's right.

SPEAKER_02 35:52

Uh, all right, ladies and gentlemen, the deep dive. It is on this day of release, Earth Day.

SPEAKER_01 35:58

Yes. I love Earth Day, Arbor Day, Poly Shore, and Weed. Which is why I knew I had to come to you. Yeah, dude. As soon as you told me which movie it was, I was like, dude, sign me up. I don't give a shit. We'll figure it out. You can come to my box, I won't smoke any crack. Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_02 36:14

We were either going to do a 420 movie. I wanted to do a 420 special, but I just did a special episode and I don't want to overload everybody. Yeah. So I was like, uh, 420 can wait. Yeah, it comes every year. That's the rumor. And and you know what? Instead of that, I think I'll do a 430 m movie this year. Oh, there you go. Really fun.

SPEAKER_01 36:35

The 430 movie. Yeah, just call it the 420.

SPEAKER_02 36:37

No, there's a 430 movie.

SPEAKER_01 36:39

Really?

SPEAKER_02 36:39

Yeah, Kevin Smith.

SPEAKER_01 36:41

Why am I not surprised? Yeah. Oh. He did uh I've never even, yeah, I'm a huge Kevin Smith fan, too. Yeah, it came out um not last year, but the year before. God damn, recent too.

SPEAKER_02 36:52

Yeah. Very deeply personal movie. Uh he did it as a kind of a tribute to his father.

SPEAKER_01 36:59

Oh, okay. That's probably why I skipped it. And his childhood. Yeah. Because I Kevin Smith for me, I just want things like Dogma.

SPEAKER_02 37:07

I I like the whole range.

SPEAKER_01 37:09

I think I think his best movie Chasing Amy. Go ahead and say it. I'll slap it. Oh, Red State. Okay, good. It's better than Chasing.

SPEAKER_02 37:15

Because it was the first movie where he said, uh, you know what? Fuck it, I'm just gonna be a filmmaker. Yeah, good for him. He went, let me show you that I can also do cool shots. And he did. Yeah. And everything after that is better because of it. Okay, debatable. I know why you're saying Kevin Smith can wait. We are here to talk about another legend of stoner humor.

SPEAKER_03 37:50

Holy sure!

SPEAKER_01 37:55

Wheeze the juice. Wheeze the juice. I don't know if that registered in the mic. It should.

SPEAKER_02 38:01

He's making the weasel sounds. Oh yeah. Um, you know, this is not, I'm telling you right now, spoiler alert, this will not be the only poly shore movie that gets talked about on this podcast. It will probably be the worst poly shore movie that oh, 100%.

SPEAKER_01 38:16

Look at his history, man. This is the worst poly shore movie.

SPEAKER_02 38:20

Um, he did a string of five movies. Um he had done some guest spots before these uh some of these movies and during some of these movies. Yeah. Like during this five movie streak, he had his beloved leaning tower of chills uh in Goof movie. Goof movie, yeah. The goofy movie. Um but this is the fifth movie, and there's a reason why he hasn't started anything yet. I mean, since we'll get into that in just a second. First, let's talk about it by the numbers. Yeah. Um, that's not gonna be something I do again. Okay, so um Biodome 1996 is a PG-13 movie. Yes, it is. I think I would love to have seen the Weasel do a rated R movie. Ah, I don't think he works as good as as rated R.

SPEAKER_01 39:14

I think it would be interesting, though, to have I think it would be interesting for sure, especially with a shit movie like Biodome.

SPEAKER_02 39:22

Yeah, but like I wouldn't want him to do the No, it'd be everybody else around him. Yeah, I want everyone around him to be R because then you would actually see how like genuinely sweet of a dude this guy is. Yeah. Louisa. Oh so poly shore Stephen Baldwin, one of the famous Baldwin brothers that they lost back in 1999. Was it '99? The bombing? Yeah. Yeah. Wow, dude. Yeah, the South Park bombing. People are like, what are you talking about?

SPEAKER_03 39:53

Baldwin brothers, man.

SPEAKER_02 39:54

We're going to war with Canada for this shit. Blame Canada. I you we cannot sing. That is uh That's a bad. Yeah, that's a bad.

SPEAKER_01 40:04

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 40:04

It's okay. You stopped before it wassue.

SPEAKER_01 40:06

Their beady little eyes. There we go. And I heard their flapping heads are full of lies.

SPEAKER_02 40:12

See, music has different restrictions. I got you. Alright, um, let's get this stuff out of the way because we have lots of fun stuff to talk about. Yes, sir. MGM Studios. That's right. The MGM Studios, now owned by Amazon. They're the ones who made it. It was directed by Jason Bloom, and I know what you're thinking. That is great. Uh, who the fuck is Jason Bloom? Yeah, I was just gonna ask that. Uh he directed nothing of importance and value. Biodome is the best movie he ever made.

SPEAKER_01 40:42

Good god, could you imagine that being your credit?

unknown 40:45

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 40:46

Uh he did do some like producing and stuff, and like, I mean, he he did work. He worked. Uh this has now you know this thing has just the best story of all the movies that he's ever done. He I say sarcastically. And the best writing of any of the movies that he did, I say sarcastically. Do you want to take a guess on how many people wrote and worked on?

SPEAKER_01 41:11

It's either gonna be one or 34.

SPEAKER_02 41:15

They're not allowed to credit that many people if it was 34. What's the max they can credit? Uh, it's complicated. I'm not getting into 60 union legal legalese. How many? Well, what I will tell you is that there are three story by credits. Okay. Three people came up with that story together. That would be Adam Leff, Mitchell Peck, and Jason Blumenthal. That's right. The director is Jason Bloom. The story by is Jason Blumenthal.

SPEAKER_01 41:39

That's a dude just pretending he's somebody else. That's what I thought when I saw. There's no way that's just a way. No. That's a pen name.

SPEAKER_02 41:47

And there's no picture with Jason Bloom, so I'm like, it might, I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 41:51

Dude, no picture. He might as well just put a mustache on and pretend it to be the other guy.

SPEAKER_02 41:55

My IMDB page doesn't have a picture.

SPEAKER_01 41:57

Oh.

SPEAKER_02 41:58

Because I don't want to pay to have it up there. That's fair. Um, the screenplay is by Kip Koenick. Okay. And Scott Marcando. I haven't even heard of either of those guys. I uh yep, yep. Um but you know, maybe somebody listening didn't that's why I like to mention them. Plus That's fair. There's a podcast that believes in the auteur theory. Do you know what the auteur theory is? No, explain. Uh basically that uh films have a singular author, even though it is a collaborative art form, there's almost always a single singular or double author to a film.

SPEAKER_01 42:34

Okay, so it's like the heartbeat of it.

SPEAKER_02 42:36

Typically, people like me believe that to be the director. Yeah. Not the screenwriter, yeah, not the producer, but the guy in charge.

SPEAKER_03 42:46

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 42:46

There are exceptions to this because in the early days it was very producer-heavy, a lot of dictation. Yeah. And so your your executive producers or in your studio heads could be called the auteur of some films. Then there are situations like uh Mission Impossible, where it could be argued that after a certain number, Tom Cruise is the auteur of the Mission Impossible franchise. Yeah, only since like two. Yeah, I would say like three and on. Yeah, exactly. Three and on. Like he definitely was like, no, no, it needs to look like this. Oh, you don't want to do the thing that I want you to do? You're fired. Next. So, you know, he went directing on him, but he was the author of that. So that being said, I was thinking a lot about our tour theory for this.

SPEAKER_01 43:34

And this doesn't happen. I'm about to say nobody stands out for that.

SPEAKER_02 43:41

I got just a couple more things to say, and then I want to deep dive into that concept. Uh, January 12th, 1996 is when this um Earth Day classic came to us. That's right, they didn't even release it on Earth Day. I was just gonna say that doesn't add up, which they could have done like January, February. And even part of March. Terrible months for movies. Yeah, that's where you that's where you dump the movies you don't believe in. Yeah. And so they could have released this movie in April, and it still is a weak month. Like they could have done that.

SPEAKER_01 44:14

Yeah, it wouldn't have changed anything. No. Especially with how much trillions of dollars this movie brought in.

SPEAKER_02 44:18

They might have made more money. They could have at least said it's Earth Day, bitches. Come on, it's a movie about Earth Day. Smoke your weed and go see this. You should. Um, the estimated budget was $15 million. They brought in, oh my, $13.4 million. Yeah, it was a bomb right out the gate. A bomb. And it was the end of uh someone that you and I both actually really love. Polly Shore's um starring uh career.

SPEAKER_01 44:49

He just he banged out so many good movies back to back to back. Yeah. And then he got handed this and was like, all right, buddy, I can do one more. Yep.

SPEAKER_02 44:59

And I'm I'm that's it for the nerdy information. Uh I do want to dig into the auditory thing that I was starting to say, but before I do, I just real quick want to know what's your favorite Polly Shore movie?

SPEAKER_01 45:11

Uh it's a tough call for me. It's between In the Army Now and Son-in-Law.

SPEAKER_02 45:15

Oh my goodness. You know that he thinks In the Army Now is like the movie that began the end of his career. Really? Yeah. I didn't know that. They he had a three-picture deal with Disney that gave us Encino Man. It gave us my favorite son-in-law. Yeah. Uh, and then In the Army Now, at the same time that they were getting ready to make that, he also had another offer to do a non-Disney film. Okay. And it was he was gonna be uh an R-Pair in uh England. Do you know what our pair is? No, it's a fancy uh snooty way of saying uh takes care of the kids. Oh, okay. That's he'd have basically been Mary Poppins.

SPEAKER_01 45:58

Sounds like my job.

SPEAKER_02 45:59

Could you have imagined the weasel as Mary Poppins? Yes. I mean, it's sort of that kind of I would love that, not gonna lie to you. Right? Um, and he said that the script was way better and that it would have been a better thing for his career. And uh I'm again, I'm bad with names. And my phone is your your phone has internet, right? Yeah. Can you look up the name of the CEO of Disney at the time?

SPEAKER_01 46:23

It's in '96.

SPEAKER_02 46:26

Yeah. The CEO and the CFO, I believe. Jeffrey Zekev from Berg. Nailed it. Anyways, that guy, because I don't want this to drag on forever, he's looking it up. Yeah, you're good. Um basically bought the movie. Like bought the script to this au pair thing.

SPEAKER_01 46:47

It was uh Michael Ez.

SPEAKER_02 46:49

Yeah, not Michael Eisner, but there's another name that should be like around that.

SPEAKER_01 46:53

Alright, I'll keep looking.

SPEAKER_02 46:55

Like, you know how they have the people who search this also search?

SPEAKER_01 46:58

That's what I'm looking for right now.

SPEAKER_02 46:59

It's gonna be a long last name.

SPEAKER_01 47:03

But anyway.

SPEAKER_02 47:04

Anyways, um, he bought uh the movie and shelved it and made it so it couldn't be made.

SPEAKER_01 47:08

That's crazy.

SPEAKER_02 47:10

And that kind of shit happens all the time because he's like, no, we're gonna do it in the army now.

SPEAKER_01 47:13

Yeah, I'm not pulling up anything, unfortunately.

SPEAKER_02 47:16

And I uh I grew up in a military town, so I too love in the army now.

SPEAKER_01 47:20

Well, I love it because like everybody I know has been in the military, and every time I show that to anybody who's served or has at least done basic, they're like, that is probably the most accurate army depiction in a movie I've ever seen.

SPEAKER_02 47:32

It's weird because like it's kind of like full metal jacket and that. Yeah. No in between in the Venn diagram, it's the middle of that.

SPEAKER_01 47:40

Yeah. Like that's what military service is. Everybody who served is always like, I had an asshole like that in my fucking unit. Yeah. I had a dumb.

SPEAKER_02 47:50

I remember uh I'm not gonna tell that story. All right, okay. Um, like I was saying, Artura theory. This is a movie that challenges the Artura theory. Okay, how do you think that? Because this movie does not exist to tell a story or a film or a movie like that. This movie is a vehicle for delivering jokes. Yeah, 100%. And humor. And uh because of that, we have it plays by different rules. It's the fifth movie, so they've already uh, you know, has been playing this character, this weasel character, which is like this Californian, you know, oh yeah, ah, you know, you know, you know, that kind of thing. Ow, ow! The Zungas, man. Shit you've never heard anyone ever say. Yep. Of course, we're East Coast people, so of course we've never heard it. Maybe people really did talk like that in the 90s. More than likely. I was a kid in the 90s and I was on the East Coast, and I didn't hear anybody talking about that.

SPEAKER_01 48:58

Not a word. Um fun fact though, uh, the original title for Encino Man was the California Man. That was the original title.

SPEAKER_02 49:09

That actually is worse than Encino Man, which is not a crazy.

SPEAKER_01 49:12

I'm glad they changed it.

SPEAKER_02 49:13

And Encino is like part of it's it's a part of LA. Yeah. And I didn't know that until after I lived in LA. Oh shit. I didn't even know that living in LA. That's funny. Um, of course, I didn't live there too long, so you know, what are you gonna do? Hey man, I would give you my box. Oh I fucking needed it.

SPEAKER_01 49:35

You're gonna have to pay for shipping, though.

SPEAKER_02 49:38

Um, so you know, it was a chance for Poly Short uh to just keep doing more of the same, and he should have pulled a Jim Carrey uh, you know, because this is what I say, was 95 or 96? 96. So at this point, you've seen other comedian actors show, okay, the jokes weren't thin, let's let him see me be serious for a second. Robin Williams had done this, uh Jim Carrey had done this, right? Yeah, and about the same time frame too for both of them. Yeah, and so he should have been like, maybe I need to show something else. And he didn't. Never did. And after this movie, he goes off and he does a TV series for seven episodes. God. Was it even seven? Uh six or seven.

SPEAKER_04 50:24

Yeah. I think it was seven. Seven.

SPEAKER_02 50:27

Oh that's the first six, seven I've gotten. Thank you for that. Yeah, you're welcome. I got two kids at home. I hear it all fucking day. I'm sure other I'm sure some of the people listening to this have kids and they they hate you.

SPEAKER_01 50:39

I feel for every single one of you, every day is a struggle. Um, yeah, uh anywho. But yeah, no, he definitely should have been like, I don't know about this movie.

SPEAKER_02 50:51

He apparently had reservations, and he talks about the movie after the fact with a very much like, I got bad advice. Oh no, no, I'm sorry, I'm saying that wrong. He was being told do different shit and he wasn't doing it. Oh, so he didn't take it. So, like, some people were giving him bad advice, but like other people, like his managers and his agents, were like, you should do this other stuff instead. Yeah. And he was just like, Oh, I'm just gonna do this. Just bad judgment.

SPEAKER_01 51:20

Yeah. I mean, look how much it worked for him. Look how much money he pulled in doing this. So, of course, he was like, I don't know, I think I could ride the wave. Yeah, it's like being at fucking uh in Vegas. Let's just roll the dice.

SPEAKER_02 51:32

And you're in your 20s and you think you're bulletproof, and you're you're the son of one of one of the most important uh comedi comedian bookers.

SPEAKER_01 51:41

Yep. She ran the comedy store for damn near 30, 40 years. Yeah. Uh she was a very important woman. Yes, 100%. Every comedian that you guys listen to at home that was in the California area has been under Polly Shore's mom. Hey oh yeah, literally. Chose my words on that.

SPEAKER_02 52:03

Yeah, you did. Um, and uh also what people may or may not remember is they used to have this thing called VJs on MTV. Yep, and he was a VJ during this period. Oh god. Like actually this movie came out right after he left MTV. Oh so he was he had to know he was on his way out.

SPEAKER_01 52:23

Yeah. Yeah. Especially like you can't, as soon as filming started, he knew it was gonna be a hit.

SPEAKER_02 52:30

Yeah. I it's I oh we'll we'll get into the movie in just a second. Uh, did you have anything you wanted to start with? Uh about the movie? Yes. I that gotta love that hosting skills I got, but he's the co-host, and I should uh I gotta say, free the Mahi Mahi is where I think we should start.

SPEAKER_01 52:50

That was improvised online, yeah. Yeah, most of the time.

SPEAKER_02 52:53

So then you know the story though.

SPEAKER_01 52:55

Yeah. About the whole fucking first 30 seconds of now, it's more than that. About probably two minutes of the movie. Gonna free Mahi Mahi. Free Mahi Mahi.

SPEAKER_02 53:06

Yeah, and uh Baldwin was talking about on a podcast I saw once. He's like, uh, oh, you know, um you and Michael J. Fox both taught me this really important lesson about, and he never says what the lesson is. Oh, yeah, he just travels off, and then he's like, and then he starts talking about Mahi Mahi, and he tells a Michael J. Fox story for a few minutes, and he's back to Mahi Mahi. He's like, I just you know, like I never thought that that was gonna be this like big moment.

SPEAKER_01 53:32

It was it was the biggest moment of that movie, and you just came up with it in a moment now uh Baldwin uh had just done Usual Suspects before this.

SPEAKER_02 53:43

Yeah, like this was he did another movie that was released in between that time, but like this was really his next movie, yeah. And it's a weird choice to follow the usual suspects, the usual suspects with this.

SPEAKER_01 53:56

See, back in the 90s, they thought actors had range, they didn't care what the actor felt about it, unless you got pigeon-holed into a set, poly short. They expected you to do it all at that point.

SPEAKER_02 54:08

He uh there was apparently a lot of concern of can he do it?

SPEAKER_01 54:12

Yeah, well, I think it's easier to go from serious to comedy than it is for comedy to serious. Not a lot of actors can do that, except for the outliers like say that again? To go from a comedy to a serious movie is harder than going from a serious movie to a comedy movie. I disagree with you a hundred percent. Really? There's only a select few that can do it, uh, like Jim Carrey, comedian, Robin Williams make better dramatic actors. You really think so? 100%. It's probably because they had been on stage before just doing comedy and realized how much that just sucked. Um, you can't teach comedy.

SPEAKER_02 54:46

I mean, you sort of. Yeah, but how much work do you have to put in to teaching comedy? You either got it or you don't. You're right. But drama, I mean, most comics, most comedians.

SPEAKER_01 55:00

He doesn't like the word comedy. I hate comics, but I was gonna let it slide. Um I was about to kick him out of my box for you guys at home.

SPEAKER_02 55:05

Oh no. Uh most of the people who are in our industry are miserable fucks.

SPEAKER_01 55:13

Yeah, I'll give you that. I'll give you that.

SPEAKER_02 55:15

It's very easy to access miserable fuck. Like, there's a reason why Dane Cook played a brilliant psychopath in that movie that he did.

SPEAKER_01 55:23

Um It's because he is a fucking psychopath. Uh he's one of the people I lost a lot of respect for. Really? I feel bad for him. His brother stole all of his money, ruined his entire career. I feel bad for him for that. But the fact that he started admitting to dating somebody the day that they turned 18 says a lot about a person.

SPEAKER_02 55:41

Oh, that's rough.

SPEAKER_01 55:42

Yeah. That's rough. Uh yeah, I didn't mean to bring the podcast down there for a minute, guys. So you know who hasn't done that? Polly Shaw.

SPEAKER_02 55:54

Ow! We, it's funny. I don't know if you felt this way, but as I'm watching this movie, I'm over here acknowledging that it is a giant uh turd. Oh, yeah. It's awful. The cinema lover in me, the the film snob in me, it's just like, this is about as bad as it gets. I've seen 10 movies that I could identify that are worse than this, and that's about it.

SPEAKER_01 56:19

You knew it was bad because it's a comedy movie, and it had a two-minute music intro with the credits going before the movie. Yeah, not even a good one. But you're supposed to be laughing by the two-minute mark, and they're still doing music. Yeah. So right away you knew this movie wasn't gonna be good.

SPEAKER_02 56:37

I remember, but what was crazy is I remembered it being this great movie because I watched it as a kid a lot. It's because Poly Shore is amazing when you're a kid, yeah. And really what it boils down to, and what I think uh, you know, talking about our tour three and joke uh delivery system, Polyshore's funny. I think so. If you need a a a non-serious lap, yeah, a poly shore type right now would do gangbusters.

SPEAKER_01 57:02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 57:03

Because we need something that's totally disconnected from reality.

SPEAKER_01 57:06

Yes, that's what I was just about to say. Yeah, I 100% agree with that part. But uh, just God, bad, bad movie. Great stuff in a bad movie. The jokes were good. You could tell they actually had comedians write the jokes. The chemistry between both sets of women, dude. The chemistry between all of them, even the fucking supporting actors and actresses, the the whole cast got along. They were good. Everyone did the best they could with what they were given. Even Faulkner. Noah Faulkner. Yeah, that was a weird one. Even he was fucking good, and there was no reason for him to be a part of any of that. What's that pop star's name that was in it? Uh, the Australian one. Um shit, I can't remember the names. I'm also terrible with names.

SPEAKER_03 57:53

Oh, she's in a lot of things.

SPEAKER_01 57:55

It's bad that you and me have gone back and forth on this episode like four or five times now, like, no, the one that was in this, and we just never know the fucking names. It makes for good listening. It's yeah, you know, it's why my my listenership is once again. One of your listeners at home is right now screaming at us.

SPEAKER_02 58:09

I just wish that they would just uh bombard my comment section on my Instagram. Oh, it'd be so much easier. Yeah, or you know, I don't check the comments on the uh I'm a hoarder. I'm like, yes, let me see what they wrote, I have to sign into each individual Apple, and then I gotta sign into each individual thing for Spotify, and I don't even like Spotify, so yeah, I said it.

SPEAKER_01 58:34

I I I allegedly have a Spotify for our podcast. I just never use it.

SPEAKER_02 58:39

I heard that rumor. I heard that rumor. Speaking of child, childlike humor, your son is staring at us.

SPEAKER_01 58:47

Yeah, that's what he does. Oh god, and now my wife and dogs are too. Get out of my box!

SPEAKER_02 58:53

Real quick, Mike Check. Yep, we're still good. Um yeah, no, uh Polly Shore funniest can be in this.

SPEAKER_01 59:02

Uh Alec Baldwin, not he leaned really hardcore into the physical humor and it wasn't working for him.

SPEAKER_02 59:11

No, he has no com it's funny because a lot of the people that talked about it were like, are you gonna be able to keep up? And Polly all these years later, so polite and won't say you were dog shit and you made a bad movie worse.

SPEAKER_01 59:26

I'm not sure if that's fair though, because I don't think that movie could have been worse. Oh, it could have been worse.

SPEAKER_02 59:32

Oh, I think no, because here's the thing is the shots are boring, so film nerds like me have nothing to hold on to there. That's fair. The story is is mediocre at best. The story isn't that bad.

SPEAKER_01 59:47

The way this the plot unfolds is okay. Yeah, I mean, come on, man. He thought it was a mall. He went in there to go take a leak.

SPEAKER_02 59:54

That's that's that's a good premise. For what they're trying to do, that's a good premise.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:00

Yeah, for a comedy, it's pretty decent.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:02

They set up a reasonable way of it happening. Like my suspension of disbelief accepts that this story would happen.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:09

Yeah, because they showed him off as the idiots. Yeah. Um the flashbacks they did in the movie I thought were probably the best parts of the movie. It's it's I I don't agree with you. Really? Well would you consider it?

SPEAKER_02 1:00:22

I don't think that they were dog shit.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:23

Um what was your favorite part of the movie? My favorite part of the movie when it was over? No, I'm kidding. The credits.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:30

No, I just there's something about watching Poly Shore be Poly Shore that's just soothing. It's entertaining. Yeah, it's just dumb. That's I I was in a really bad mood when I watched it. That's it. I was like depressed and uh probably a little too um you ever end up in the comedy club and you can't turn off your analytical brain?

SPEAKER_01 1:00:55

No, see, I don't have a brain, so I'm just here to for the laughs.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:58

Gotcha. Um, usually I do a good job of turning off my analytical. In this case, I'm watching and I'm going, oh, that's funny. Oh, that's an amusing gag. God, this story is bad. Oh my god, it's so bad. Holy shit, they're hot. I'm one of those guys. Holy shit, they're hot. Holy shit, they're hot. Yeah, even the dudes. You know, you got Kevin Smith's ex-girlfriend in it.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:23

Once again, great with names.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:26

You were making fun of me earlier for chasing Amy. She's uh the lead actress. Oh, I know.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:31

Everybody remembers that voice.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:33

Yeah. Sometimes I confuse her with uh Tiffany from Chucky. Oh god, yeah, she's got one of those voices, too. Both of them, yeah, they could be sisters in a movie, and I'd be like, yeah, I mean. No, that's believable.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:47

Um what did you think was the best part though? You just enjoyed the ride? I didn't in this case.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:54

I thought the best part was the mon you know what? Actually, it's the the putting the cigarettes in the making a filter.

SPEAKER_04 1:02:08

Make it a filter.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:09

I didn't want to sing it, I didn't want to get you in trouble. But that's not a copyright song, so it's different. Okay. Make it sure. I think the only other good thing.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:16

But then he comes through and he's like, oh yeah, you don't have to do that. But I collected all these butts. And that's what's great about that's actually showing Polly Shore's best strength that I don't think has been mined well enough. Polly Shore's characters have so much fucking heart to them. Yeah. And they're so lovable. It's like That's why the movies work. Yeah. Yeah. And I don't think there was enough of it in this because I mean he flat out said when he did this, he was like, I'm just gonna go full as stupid as I can possibly be. Yeah, that was the wrong choice. He was like, I'm tired of the critics doing what they're doing. It was his fine, you guys don't like me, fuck you movie.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:54

It's probably the leading point to him being so bitter in his fucking later life, too. I under I relate to his bitterness so much. He's one of the few people are I I understand. I get it, dude.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:05

It's like it's such a strange thing. I can't wait to cover The Irishman one day because it it is a film just like what Poly Shore is in real life, just like what I am in real life, where it's like to know that your best days are behind you, yeah, is such a weird place to be because it's like you can do everything to find happiness and have all the things you always wished you had. You can have money and you can have women and you can have uh great friends. I have one of those things. Great, great friends.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:37

So yeah, he's loaded, guys. You might not know this, but uh first got three trillion dollars in the bank.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:43

Why do you how do you think I can afford to do this podcast with no current sponsors? Except for Toverhouse, Toverhouse on YouTube. Check him out, yeah, yeah, like, support, subscribe. Hasn't released things since September 3rd, but that's not bad.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:02

That's only like six months ago.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:04

244 days last I checked, 245 maybe. Anyways, tangent, tangent, tangent, tangent, tangent.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:12

Nailed it. Uh my other favorite part of that movie was uh when Romulus was uh they were trying to get all the bugs for him again. He came out with the fucking fly paper. Oh, I loved it.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:24

Kid me hated that joke, and adult me fucking ate it up. And I was like, Oh, that would have been me. Yeah, dude, that would have lost my fucking mind. Oh, that would have been me. Um, I always like uh when incompetent people get the girl and they got the girl twice in one movie. Yeah, and for no reason, best part of all another why Polly Schwarz's great moment did the right thing.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:49

Yeah. He was immediate was like, no, I can't. I got a girlfriend. But why can't we have more of that shit? Then we have Baldwin that's still making out with the air at the end, and he gets slapped.

SPEAKER_02 1:05:00

Yeah, and Baldwin's kind of being what guys tend to normally be like. Yeah. Let me bring in for a minute. Uh oh, the the thing though is like where Polly Shore is at and where I'm at, is this like weird understanding that it will never be what it was, and what it was can never be topped.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:19

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:05:19

And I have that in my life because I, you know, I used to l to work on Broadway, and I just don't see a peak above that unless I can make my film dreams come true.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:30

Until you make your film dreams come true. Well, you know change the language.

SPEAKER_03 1:05:34

I mean, you know, uh fucking, why do you have to be the poly shore of the podcast over there saying the good advice and being caring and shit?

SPEAKER_01 1:05:43

Because you should always look forward to shit. You should always try to strive to what you need and what you want. And the best way to start with that is vocalizing it. You can't just be like, yeah, you know, it was good then. Like it can be good again, it can be better. I mean, just gotta get out there.

SPEAKER_03 1:06:01

Rumor.

SPEAKER_02 1:06:04

Um I saw Poly Shore live recently or two months before I moved back to uh North Carolina. Alright, what year? Uh it'd be three years and four months ago.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:18

Okay, so you saw him at his just starting to get over his bitter phase. Oh no, no, he was bitter. He was still bitter then.

SPEAKER_02 1:06:26

But he he's not bitter in like I'm a miserable fucker. No, no, he's not miserable. Yeah, he's he's bitter in this, like what I was talking about, is just this understanding that you're never gonna have that again, and how do I make the best out of being in the valley?

SPEAKER_01 1:06:41

He absolutely could, though, I think. Uh look at Brendan Fraser. He came back.

SPEAKER_02 1:06:45

I think everyone wants him back except Studio Heads. Like, I desperate like I wish I could get in front of him and have 10 minutes of his time, and I'd say, If you let me, me and a couple of my friends could write the best movie possible for you. Because I understand what you're going through, and the world needs to see your dramatic chops that you're very capable of. And they need to taste a little bit of the just squeeze, you know. Squeeze! Even AC unit's mad at that one. Yeah, it got yelled at. Yeah, uh, he was he did a one-man show, he stared at me the entire fucking show.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:35

That was probably him just trying to get some entertainment out of it. I because I do that every once in a while. It was weird because I wasn't in the center.

SPEAKER_02 1:07:44

Oh no, and and at first I was like, okay, I've been a performer for a while, like, he's looking at my forehead.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:51

No, no, he was looking, he was making eye contact. That's what I do. I'm I'm all about heavy eye contact when I'm on stage.

SPEAKER_03 1:07:58

Yes, and he would say certain things, and I'm like, is he talking to me?

SPEAKER_01 1:08:02

Yes, he wasn't when he started the show.

SPEAKER_02 1:08:05

No, he was like waiting to I'm like, oh god, he's a nice guy. I mean, I had the briefest of interactions with him, he's uh a sweetheart. I'd love to do a movie with him because I see so much of myself in him, even though we're so different as people, but just I wouldn't say so different.

unknown 1:08:27

Fuck you.

SPEAKER_01 1:08:28

I wouldn't. The only difference is that he was a huge star in his 20s. And I was a huge behind-the-scenes guy in my 20s. Yeah, that's the only difference. I wasn't a huge, I was I just was around huge people. Hey, you are right now too, dude. I weigh 648 pounds. Huge koogie crisp.

SPEAKER_02 1:08:50

Oh shit. Um, so we gotta wrap up that real quick. Tenacious D makes a cameo in it. Yes. Uh any like big stuff that you want to say?

SPEAKER_01 1:08:58

Uh no, I didn't realize we were getting close on time. All right, Tenacious D showing up was fucking great. That was their first time being on screen.

SPEAKER_02 1:09:04

And and fucking KG has hair.

SPEAKER_01 1:09:07

Yes.

SPEAKER_02 1:09:08

That's how old it is. Um, we're gonna take a little short break. When we come back, I have a very quick here's what's coming out, uh, and then we'll send you off. Okay. So let's be quick about this. Stop that train. I just had you look up the trailer to stop that train. Does it not look like the funniest shit?

SPEAKER_01 1:09:28

Dude, that's probably gonna be the funniest movie of the year.

SPEAKER_02 1:09:30

I think you're right.

SPEAKER_03 1:09:31

That looks so good.

SPEAKER_02 1:09:32

There's a lot in that movie that's like not my kind of thing, and it's just the comedy hilarity after hilarity. Like, I'm I'm gonna be there. Open tonight for that. That looks great. Oh, it's gonna be so fucking weird. Now, uh, that's down the road. Well, down the train tracks. Down the rails. Uh this week, movies. We have two movies worth going to the movie theater to see. What do we got? We got Michael, the story of Michael Jackson. Yep. Uh, can't miss that. And then there's a movie called Over Your Dead Body, directed by Yorma Tacona from The Lonely Island. Okay, I was about to say that name sounds really familiar. Why? Yeah, to Tacoma. I I'm sure I said his name wrong, but I do know Yorma. I can say that right. Uh, Over Your Dead Body stars um uh uh uh uh um uh forgetting Sarah Marshall.

SPEAKER_01 1:10:24

Chick or guy guy, uh Jason something. Siegel. Thank you. We see the we got one. That's how you know, that's how you know he's a big deal. We remembered his name.

SPEAKER_02 1:10:35

Um by the way, Jason Siegel was in that SLC punk movie. Yeah. And he's so good in it and so young. Um, ladies and gentlemen, thank you guys for tuning in. Zach Blackfire. Uh, what's your handle, real quick?

SPEAKER_01 1:10:51

Uh, you can find anything. Just type in Zach Blackfire, B L A C K F Y R E. I'm Topher Mac.

SPEAKER_02 1:10:59

This is Shadows of China Movie Podcast.

SPEAKER_01 1:11:02

Bye. Bye bye. Have a wonderful time. Bye.