Topic: The Patriot (2000) CoHost: Gio the Comic

This week Gio the Comic joins Topher Mac for an overstuffed episode talking about the 2000 film The Patriot.  Seriously, it’s so overstuffed they accidentally maxed out the episode.  Part 2 will be available shortly. 

Transcript

SPEAKER_03 0:00

I mean, but with that voice that you got, you know that Hades is the fucking role for you, right? Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 0:04

I uh man, there's so many roles. Like I always wanted to do Kratos. Or like uh Kratos or like the EA sports guy, the uh from EA sports. It's in the game. Like I'm gonna be. I've heard it's in the game. Now I hear it in real life. I've always wanted to be that guy.

SPEAKER_03 0:18

That's a good that's good. You know, too bad AI is killing all that for everybody.

SPEAKER_01 0:22

If they ever need like a Joe Swanson, I will do uh a Peter.

SPEAKER_03 0:27

I'll always so welcome to Shadows That Shine, a movie podcast. See, when I do the movie podcast, I'm trying to sound like you and I don't like that because I sound like a little big for years, like for me in in chorus, I used to beg to be put with the basses, and he's like, You're a fucking tenor, and I'm like, No, I'm a I'm not, I'm a barren tenor, barrent tenor.

SPEAKER_01 0:56

I remember in in school, I try to do chorus, and I wanted to be with the tenors actually, but it's like the older note that I got, it started, yeah, it started just going deeper and deeper. I was like, all right, well, I know where I'm at.

SPEAKER_03 1:06

I've I always wanted that deeper voice, and then when I started auditioning for musical theater stuff, I was like, oh, maybe it's a good thing it's not that low because there's like seven roles for deep voiced people. That's why I said Hades, yeah, which is gonna be released in a movie theater, but not ours for whatever reason. Oh, that sucks. The entire market, like you have to go. I think Carrie is the nearest uh market that is gonna do a showing of Hades Town. And I'm like, they're they're building a $15 million renovation with Cape Fear Regional Theater, or it's $14 million, and they just did a $3 million renovation of the inside of the theater. I didn't know that actually. And I might have the numbers a little bit wrong, but it's not as far off as you would think it is. Um, so all that shit goes down like that, but they're not gonna play a musical in a theater in a town that has all that kind of love for theater.

SPEAKER_01 1:58

Yeah, I mean, and I mean all the uh theaters that we have here, like um, you know, Gilbert, um, you know, like say Kate Fear. Yeah, Kate Fear. You know, I I mean, they're they're pretty they're no pretty prestigious. I mean, I've seen great actors. Ghost tour at the very least, yeah. I've seen great actors, literally great actors.

SPEAKER_03 2:13

I I say it on the show all the time, but it's like we have ridiculously famous people come out of this town. Absolutely, like a high concentration of like yeah, North.

SPEAKER_01 2:22

I feel like a lot of people overlook North Carolina a little bit for you know, town.

SPEAKER_03 2:25

I'm not even talking about North Carolina, I'm talking Cumberland County. Yeah, like who's the most famous comic to come out of this area? By the way, ladies and gentlemen, this is Geo the comic joining me today. I'm Topher Mac. Uh Geo, go ahead and say something on uh so they know what you sound like.

SPEAKER_01 2:39

Geo the comic here with my boy Topher Man. It is amazing to absolutely be here, man. I've been seeing so many of the posts and and everything he's been doing, so I'm just really happy to be here.

SPEAKER_03 2:48

No, I feel special. So, Gio, who do you think the most famous? I I'm sure I've said this on the show before, but who do you think the most famous comic from Fayeville is? Now, here's the criteria has to have lived here for more than uh more than a calendar year.

SPEAKER_01 3:05

Okay. Um, so from the ones I know, um I'm gonna say Aisha uh is definitely one Aisha Aisha is great.

SPEAKER_03 3:14

Yeah, we're not talking about great, we're talking about famous. We're talking about like known, well known. So and that might be who you think is. Aisha Aisha, of course, uh a mentor of well, mentor-ish of me. I don't think she's officially claimed me as one of her mentees, but I've certainly learned a lot from her.

SPEAKER_01 3:34

But uh famous comics, famous comics. Um, I actually don't know too many too like overly famous comics.

SPEAKER_03 3:39

That's fair, that's fair. Uh how about this? Uh most people say Aphion Crockett, who is brilliant. He was in the first few seasons of Wild and Out.

SPEAKER_00 3:47

Wow, okay.

SPEAKER_03 3:48

And uh he he lived here for a while. Wow, grew up, I think he grew up here, and then Leslie Jones from Saturday Night Live, three years in Fort Bragg. Really? Yep, it's in her book. Oh she talks about it like more than one, like a very large amount of time at the beginning of her book is here's Faithful, here's Fort Bragg, here's what's going on.

SPEAKER_01 4:10

Wow, and you see that that's what I'm saying, man. Like, I I wish I, you know, did a little more research on that. I had no idea, especially with Leslie Jones. Um, but yeah, man, comedy is great here. Um, you know, like I said, the acting is great here as well.

SPEAKER_03 4:23

Um, you know, it's it's funny. I brought a comedian on to talk about a fucking not comedian movie. Uh this is a movie podcast, just so y'all know. But I just wanted to give uh um Gio a quick here you go. Because we know each other through the comedy circuit. For sure. Uh, even though I have been on hiatus um for a few months now, uh it's getting about time to get back on.

SPEAKER_01 4:48

You gotta get back on there, man. We miss you on the mics, man, for sure.

SPEAKER_03 4:52

Well we'll we'll I'll try to make something happen. Uh but I love it when you get up there too. You you're someone who understands coming and going because you'll go through period uh concentrated periods and then you'll pull back. Absolutely. And then come to find out some of the times you're pulling back because you act.

SPEAKER_02 5:08

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 5:09

Like right now, you're doing something, right? It's it's gonna be out at some point. What's it called?

SPEAKER_01 5:14

So it is called the Notaway Connections. I will be um doing my first official villain role. Um, it's a small one, it's a small role right now. I'll be in like one episode. It's gonna be about five to six episodes. Um, but then after we're gonna try to do like two or three seasons. Okay.

SPEAKER_03 5:31

Now, is this like a tubi, a YouTube?

SPEAKER_01 5:33

It will be a uh web series, so we're gonna be promoting it all over the web as much as possible. Now, we do hope that you know if Netflix wants to cut me a check, I'll take it. You know?

SPEAKER_03 5:43

You know, I've I've recently made up my mind that I'm not interested in doing work with Netflix. Yeah, why is that? Uh, because I want to make movies, okay, and they are not in the movie business, they're in the television business. I agree. Like, yeah, they make movies, but they're not in the movie business. They're in the television business. I agree with that, yeah, for sure. And it's time like for a long time we we gave it its own category because it's like it's a tech company. It's like, no, it's it's a if it's a tech company, then so is uh Time Warner. Yeah, for sure. For sure. Yeah, say technology is involved for you to watch it on television, but if you're not releasing movies and movie theaters, you're a fucking TV company.

SPEAKER_01 6:23

Yeah, I mean realistically.

SPEAKER_03 6:25

And uh, you know, the guy in charge of the film recently did this whole weird thing about oh, um we're we're not gonna work with directors anymore that insist on having releases in theaters. We don't do that here at Netflix. And as soon as he said that, I said, All right.

SPEAKER_01 6:40

Yep, that's it. That that's that's my time.

SPEAKER_03 6:43

Then you're then you're a television company, and yeah, I'm glad that they feature great comics and I support them in that regard. For sure. Uh, I do think that they're the new HBO in in terms of uh stand-up, but outside of that, no.

SPEAKER_01 6:58

I mean, I mean, if you're not gonna, I mean, that's what we're here for, though. Like people that put these great movies together, they're here to put it so everybody else can see, not not to, you know, just promote a streaming service. And I think that really sucks, man. Especially, you know, I feel like Netflix is missing out on a lot of potential. Um, because I mean, I've missed out on a ton of money. Yeah, absolutely.

SPEAKER_03 7:18

Like, even because this is what I'm saying, it's like even if the movie fails, you make money in the cinema. Yeah, but then on top of that, I got um I've been having this issue for a while where it's like the quality of the movies that they release with a handful of exceptions, have been not good. And so when people's like, oh, you gotta see this movie, it's on Netflix. My first thought in my head is like, why? I mean, I like Zen on the sequel too. You know? So sure, there's a place for made for TV, but like I'm I have to stay focused with quote unquote real movies.

SPEAKER_01 7:54

I love how Netflix tries to like keep like tries to keep up with the times per se, but then they just avoid everything that the times have right now, man.

SPEAKER_03 8:03

Yeah, well, I mean, that's a that's a whole nother conversation. Shifting gears. Let's see. Uh, there's that. There I introduced you. Um, let me ask you before we get going, what have you seen recently?

SPEAKER_01 8:17

Um, so I have I have been maxing out my AMC account. I have no idea why.

SPEAKER_03 8:22

So you got the A-list?

SPEAKER_01 8:23

Yeah, I do. I got the A-list. I got the A-list. I've been going crazy with my So I recently saw Toy Story 5.

SPEAKER_03 8:30

Okay, I haven't got to that one yet.

SPEAKER_01 8:32

Really good. Please check that out. It was really well made. It I think it really showed that um, you know, certain series can be good. Um also I saw the backrooms. I thought the backrooms was was really good. I know a lot of people had mixed reviews because it wasn't pulling from like the giant lore material that's on Reddit, but it was still really well.

SPEAKER_03 8:56

It was never gonna be that. It was always gonna be cane parsing or cane pixels.

SPEAKER_01 9:02

And they put it together really well for what they had and the concept. I thought it was beautiful seeing something so weird but also so intriguing come to a screen.

SPEAKER_03 9:10

Yeah, I I can't wait to go revisit it uh it on July 3rd when they have um everything must uh backrooms everything must go, which is gonna be the extra, I think, 15 minutes that they're putting on. Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 9:23

I'm like, oh yeah, I'll show up for that again. And obsession. I thought obsession was a it's very well put together horror movie that had great comedy in it.

SPEAKER_03 9:34

It's been a few weeks now. I've been saying my opinions on obsession, and they're mostly positive.

SPEAKER_01 9:39

Yeah, it's it's it was it actually caught me by surprise. I I thought like in the first few minutes, I was like, oh god, here we go.

SPEAKER_03 9:45

Because I didn't think it was good at the beginning.

SPEAKER_01 9:47

Yeah, no, it it was kind of like like okay, come on, man. Like it was so much common sense just out the window. And as it kept going, oh man.

SPEAKER_03 9:56

It was definitely not uh, I would do that, I would do that, I would do that moment. It was a are you fucking Are you serious? Seriously, like we're we're five minutes into this sun, bitch, and you're already being that stupid.

SPEAKER_01 10:08

Yeah, that yeah, he was man, the the red flags were all over, and I guess he was just colorblind. There was no way.

SPEAKER_03 10:18

Well, uh yeah, yeah, no, I'm with you on that. Um, just so the audience knows, I've been on a movie watching bench, which you can follow. Uh, if you have letterboxed, you can go to SCS Pod and see when we drop uh things that I have, or I see when I rate things that uh I've seen. I don't put everything that I watch on here, but I do put a lot of what I watch on here. And here's some of the highlights in the last well, we didn't do it last time because last time we covered Leviticus, okay, which I don't know if that's gonna be your thing. It's a gay horror film, but it's a really fucking well-made film. Like it's it it had uh it's it's well structured, it had good creepy moments. There is a great jump scare in there and like an earned jump scare, so it's not like oh you just did that to be scare. But like it it me and the guy I went who's one of my horror movie um experts that I like to bring in. Uh he also is my uh gay cinema expert, and you know it's uh June, so uh happy pride for celebrate. Um and so we we that's why we went to see that. And so we both were like, yeah, this one moment got both of us enough where we were both like, did we just get scared? We never get scared.

SPEAKER_01 11:37

Definitely putting that on the list then now. We never get scared.

SPEAKER_03 11:39

Now there's a little bit more, and I say this in the podcast last week, a lot more uh dudes making out than I would prefer. But you know what? If that's what we have to do to get hot women making out, then you know what? Every now and then I'll take that. I don't know if I'll take that's the best way to um so I uh in the meantime I've been uh I watched 200 cigarettes on uh Criterion Channel. Um that's an old 1999 movie uh with some oh it's got Paul Rudd in it, and then it's got um I can't remember her name, but she's not the most attractive woman in the world. It actually has a lot of famous people in it.

SPEAKER_01 12:22

Yeah, Paul Rudd, that's crazy.

SPEAKER_03 12:24

That's uh it was one of the ones that like, yeah, and like I didn't know this movie existed. Right. Uh then I watched Pauline at the Beach, which uh I'm working on a movie right now, and Pauline at the Beach kind of opened my head up and went, Oh, I want to do that. It's a French film. Nice. And it's one of the like most French artsy films, there's a lot of sexuality to it. Um, but it's the way that they communicate with each other that had me going, I like that, I want that if I'm doing this movie. My movie that I'm working on, is uh all the stuff I filmed my for my stand-up special is gonna be integrated into it. Nice, nice.

SPEAKER_00 13:04

I like that's that plan, that's a good plan.

SPEAKER_03 13:06

And so yeah, I definitely want some of that conversational style that you get from these European films, and seeing that solidify that. And I watched the documentary Lorne, it was fantastic. It's one of the highest-rated things I've ever put on this account. Nice. Uh Jackass Best and Last, it was pretty good. Yeah, the new Jackass. Yeah, I did three and a half stars for that, and then Supergirl, three and a half stars, but I also liked that one. Um I was a little disappointed with uh Best and Last for Jackass.

SPEAKER_00 13:36

Yeah. Why why was that?

SPEAKER_03 13:38

I the new bit, the quote unquote new bits, were uh mostly old bits. And like the Bam Marger stuff that was cut out of the last movie was in this movie.

SPEAKER_00 13:52

Okay.

SPEAKER_03 13:53

And I I'm sort of looking at it going, well, yeah, I would have fired him too. Because I love Bam Marger, he's always been my favorite member of the Jackass crew, but the Bam that showed up is not the Bam of yesteryear. Oh man. You can't that's pretty sad the end of here. I yeah. Um there was good moments in it. It's not like it was a bad movie, it's just it was a best of movie. Like it was sort of one of those things where it's like this was made for TV. You just had to release it in theaters because it's so uh raunchy and ridiculous. But Supergirl, uh, it's been getting run through the mud critically and and by uh fans, and I don't get it. It's one of those times where I'm like looking going, I don't think that this is uh the problem that you think it is. Yeah, by the way, we're in a bad neighborhood and I'm like, I didn't hear I didn't hear gunshots. Yeah, what in the world? Either a drug bust or somebody getting assaulted, yeah, something crazy. Yay! Uh but Supergirl, I liked it. Is it the best fucking movie ever? No. But like I it can't always be Iron Man, it can't always be the Dark Knight. And I'm sorry, but just because I don't want to fuck the main character doesn't mean it's not a good movie. You know what I mean? Oh, Supergirl wasn't like No, have you seen her? Like, she's not ugly, like, but she's not you know, in the past it's always been uh model hot, yeah, blonde. Yeah, and this time they went with let's have a real-looking human being who's pretty.

SPEAKER_01 15:32

Everybody started flipping tables.

SPEAKER_03 15:34

Like, she's not she's not ugly, like I I wouldn't kick her out of bed, but like I wouldn't ask her to go to bed either. You could take the couch, like yeah, or like you know, and and that is awful and sexist of me, but like it's it's I'm just speaking my truth. I thought it was a good movie. I'm glad she's super girl. I thought she did a great job. Okay, I thought she did a good job. Uh the other thing is I watched uh 1987's Robocop film.

SPEAKER_01 15:59

Oh man, that's a classic right there.

SPEAKER_03 16:02

Never had seen it before. Oh man. Finally got around to seeing it. It was on the Criterion Channel.

SPEAKER_01 16:08

That is a classic right there.

SPEAKER_03 16:09

By the time this has dropped, it will not be on the Criterion Channel anymore. But yeah, no, it was I I didn't exp I don't like sci-fi films, but I didn't expect it to be as artsy as it was. Like it's very, we have something to say. Yeah. This isn't just robot go bang bang.

SPEAKER_00 16:28

Right, right.

SPEAKER_03 16:29

Which is what I always in the back of my head thought that movie was gonna be. And instead, it's like super high art, yeah, like conceptual.

SPEAKER_01 16:36

I thought for 1997 it was it was pretty well. 1987. 1987, my bad. I think it was pretty well put together. Like certain moments in it, I was like, 1987, that's not bad. Like when this little gun comes out his side, yeah. I was like, well, I always wondered where he was gonna keep the gun in general, but I was like, all right, cool. It's got a little gun compartment. Like nice.

SPEAKER_03 16:57

They always go to the same close-up every time.

SPEAKER_01 17:00

It's great. I love that you always like he's gonna hit the robot at some moment. His movements were just great.

SPEAKER_03 17:05

The the robot was great because it's like towards the end of that process that they were doing. Yeah, so uh, I think Lucasfilm worked on it, but I'm not positive. But like it is 10 years from that moment, they don't do that anymore. So I'm talking about the little like a uh ATST looking robot. Yeah, um, so it was cool to see it in action and to see that it like it both feels real and fake at the same time, right? But I still prefer that to a lot of the CG that we get.

SPEAKER_01 17:38

Oh, for sure.

SPEAKER_03 17:39

Not all the CG, some CG is good.

SPEAKER_01 17:41

Some of it, yeah, I will agree with that. Yeah, I've seen some pretty bad ones too.

SPEAKER_03 17:45

I think that the best use of CG comes from Christopher Nolan, who is like, if it can be done practically, why are we not doing it practically? That's a good point. But he he'll I don't know if you notice, he'll he'll sweeten shots up with CGI sometimes. Clean it up a little bit. Yeah, he'll be like, we're gonna use a little bit of CG. Yeah, not not a lot, not a lot, but just enough. But it's cool to know, like when the explosion happens in um Nolan's last movie, which was uh I'm bad with names, by the way. You don't know this, but I'm very bad with names. Uh Oppenheimer. Aha! I remember that um Oppenheimer has all those explosions are real explosions that they filmed. Oh, I didn't know that. They simulated nuclear explosions with like it's still actual fucking kaboom. What's crazy is that.

SPEAKER_01 18:40

It's just not a nuclear explosion. I still have yet to see Oppenheimer.

SPEAKER_03 18:44

Oppenheimer is, in my opinion, I think it's the best movie since There Will Be Blood.

SPEAKER_01 18:56

Oh, yeah, I gotta take a look at that then. I definitely gotta take a look at Oppenheimer then. I don't know.

SPEAKER_03 19:01

I saw it on the big screen the way it was supposed to be, so maybe it's not as good on the smaller screen. Maybe it's not as good if you get distracted. It's definitely a movie though, like you have to full focus it. Because if you get distracted, it's not gonna be as uh meaningful. It is three hours and five minutes long, okay, which is the maximum amount that a movie, an IMAX movie, can be.

SPEAKER_01 19:22

I oh, so IMAX actually has like a limit for that, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 19:25

Because they use real film, yeah. It's not digital projection. So he needs there's this giant, huge fucking like you can't see this at home, people, but I'm like holding my hands out to simulate the size of this giant spool that it sits on and goes through.

SPEAKER_00 19:41

I mean, that's still pretty dope though. I like that though. I like that.

SPEAKER_03 19:44

Yeah. Uh it's it's just like, do you do you know what is of the official recognition of short film versus feature film? No. What do you think the time cutoff is for that?

SPEAKER_01 19:55

For a short film compared to feature film. Where's the time split? Maybe like what like 30, 45 minutes, maybe.

SPEAKER_03 20:01

That's not far off. I've heard worse guesses from people.

SPEAKER_01 20:05

So what is it?

SPEAKER_03 20:06

The cutoff is 39 minutes and below is uh short film, 40 minutes and above is feature film. Okay. And that has to do with reels because it was two reelers versus three and four reelers. Now you obviously the sweet spot has in Hollywood has always been you want between uh no less than 108 for a feature, like for our a theatrical release. That's fair. Um, and then you wanted to go from there to I think the longest movie I've ever seen in a movie theater is three hours forty-five minutes. Well, what movie was that? I can't remember off the top of my head, but it was that's a good question. I'll have to like look into it.

SPEAKER_01 20:47

Right? The first jaws movie was pretty long, right?

SPEAKER_03 20:49

It's long, but it ain't that long.

SPEAKER_01 20:50

Yeah, not that long, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 20:51

Well, it's like Nolan's. Uh I I believe they've announced that um Odyssey is gonna be two hours fifty-five minutes. I'm very excited for that. I can't wait. That's the whole reason we're talking about this. Very excited for that. We're chewing up time right now because it's really just my backdoor way of getting hyped about we're a couple of weeks away from the best movie of the year.

SPEAKER_01 21:13

I'm waiting for it. It it everything about it looks great. I think the casting is amazing.

SPEAKER_03 21:18

I'm a little I'm a little bit hesitant.

SPEAKER_01 21:20

Uh for for the casting?

SPEAKER_03 21:22

No, I don't like fantasy. Oh, okay, okay. So I'm a little bit hesitant, but it's like I trust Christopher Nolan, and I get to see Lapita Nyonga, and I mean I just have the biggest crush on her. It's like her and Anne Hathaway and like Emma Stone is like that's three of the four biggest crushes I have in Hollywood.

SPEAKER_01 21:42

Um still to this day I love Sandra Bullock. That's a good choice. I've never given up on Sandra.

SPEAKER_03 21:48

Hey man, that's you know she went to ECU? I did not know that. She went to ECU and then she has since sued them. They're not allowed to admit that she went to ECU.

SPEAKER_02 21:58

Oh, of course.

SPEAKER_03 22:00

Went to school here. Yeah. And they were like, I so she was like, No, I quit this school because your program was terrible. Stop.

SPEAKER_01 22:08

You gotta stop it right now.

SPEAKER_03 22:10

Yeah. Or at least allegedly. These are stories that you hear through circles. Because I I've been in the movie Biznayes. I shot a movie last month.

SPEAKER_00 22:23

Oh, nice. Nice.

SPEAKER_03 22:24

Yeah. Uh, we're coming up on almost 30 days uh since I was helping out. Well, we're gonna take a little pause right here, and then we're gonna get back to it. I'm uh with Gio, aka Gio the Comic, aka aka Giovanni, aka the Eighth Gym uh leader. And then I, of course, am Topher Mac. You're listening to Shadows That Shine, a movie podcast. Hello, hello. We're back. For you it was moments. For us, it was minutes. Um, I don't even think it was a full moment. It was it was like half a beat. Anyways, we're back. Uh a dinosaur story. Yep, I still say it. I still say it. If you've been listening, I'm rewarding you with annoying you. Uh okay. So let's talk about G Willickers, guys. Let's talk about the box office. Um, do you ever follow the box office, by the way?

SPEAKER_01 23:30

Uh it's so it depends. Like, if I know something big is coming, I I tend to just because I do like to brag about certain movies I love. So be like, hey, that movie you're talking about is nothing compared to this. Like, I'd so here in this fair, that's fair.

SPEAKER_03 23:44

Uh well, last weekend was June 26th to the 28th. Nice. And we're gonna talk about the top five domestic, okay, top five domestic uh movies. And I gotta admit, I was very surprised it was Supergirl, which followed Superman. No, no, I'm not saying Supergirl was number one, but I'm saying the the new releases of this week were Superman and Jackass. Nice. Okay, so here's how it went down. Toy Story 5 added 70 million dollars to the coffers of uh uh Walt Disney Studios Motion Pictures. Uh that brings its totals domestic uh 297.2 million, international 287.8 million for a worldwide total of 585 million dollars that that movie has made so far. Now, what's wild is if you add Supergirl and Jackass together, it doesn't even add up to the 70 million that Toy Story 5 did. Wow, yeah, Toy Story was beautiful. Supergirl was not something people were clamoring for. 38 million dollars is what it brought in this weekend, uh, and that would be for Warner Bros. Uh I feel like Warner Bros. sounds very like collegiate, it's very like frat bro, yeah, and that makes sense because them pieces of shit said Paramount are uh buying them. So it went from Warner Brothers to Warner Bros. Do you even live, bro? Do you even tear down the fabric of American society? Fire the number one rated fucking uh night show host. Even live. All right, sorry. Uh Supergirls uh 38 million dollars is added with 30 million internationally for a total of 68 million dollars. It's a good thing it's like a 200 million dollar money. Speaking of obsession again, beautiful obsession, which is one of the it just I think past centers of the all-time horror film uh box office earners. It added 9.8 million over the weekend, bringing its totals to low low low uh 233.9 million domestically, uh 136.2 million internationally for a total of 370.1 million dollars. Nice, it's incredible, and of course, that is for um that is for focus features who took all that money and said, let's put all that money into the trailer for a Christmas release of Verwolf. Oh god. What do you owe God in? Uh Werewolf? Have you seen the trailer? No, I have not. I have not. Did you watch Nosferato? Yes, yes. Did you like Nosferato?

SPEAKER_01 26:51

I did. I did.

SPEAKER_03 26:51

Then why are you shitting on Werewolf?

SPEAKER_01 26:54

I don't know, man. I've always been the vampire person, dude. But it's like Werewolf's like, ah!

SPEAKER_03 26:58

I hate both of these genres. My expertise as a film historian is in horror films, and I so don't give a fuck about monster movies. But that dude's making a lot of really good monster movies.

SPEAKER_01 27:15

Yeah, it was. It actually really was.

SPEAKER_03 27:17

And it was there was that moment, because no spoiler here, but there was that moment when uh oh, I can't say it right now. Um something super messed up happens, and my friend audibly loudly went from loving the movie to did he just you can't do and then he's like trying to throw up. You know it's good. Um that's a that was a sidetrack. Uh Jackass, best and last, $8.4 million for Paramount Pictures, bro. Uh $1.9 million internationally, which is better than I thought they'd do internationally. 10.3 total. That's what that did. That's not bad. I mean, it's for something from Beck like Jackass. For something that is half old footage, yeah. That's not a bad showing. I mean, the most most of that money went to pay people in the movie. And what's cool about this one is they paid BAM properly after screwing them on the last one.

SPEAKER_01 28:19

Yeah, well, that's good then, at least, man. I feel like the stuff that they do on Jackass, everybody should get some really, really decent, even pays here.

SPEAKER_03 28:28

They they they haven't always made great money. Yeah. Uh well, where were we? We were uh I think we're at fifth movie, yes. Uh Disclosure Day hanging in there, 8.1 million dollars. Uh, and of course, that is for Universal Pictures, which is a company that has won my heart this year by uh announcing the extension of the theatrical window. I'm obviously very pro cinema for sure. Fuck Netflix. I mean what ninety-four point four million dollars domestically that disclosure day has made internationally 99.3 million for a total of 193.7 million dollars. Again, uh that's not as good as it needs to be. Right.

SPEAKER_00 29:21

Well uh was it because it was a huge uh no, it was just a huge budget.

SPEAKER_03 29:25

Yeah, what was the budget for that if you if you know uh I don't remember it off the top of my head, but it was close to 200 million. Oh gosh gracious, Jesus. And I mean, if it was anything more than 100 million, it still hasn't broke even. Right, so that yeah, that kind of sucks. Um, and then I just wanted to mention while we still could, Backrooms uh brought in another 4.3 million dollars, uh Scary Movie another three million, so that's her sixth and her seventh, and then there's more movies after that. But uh the amazing digital circus they get on there. They made a lot of money a few weeks ago. They did. But that was that was when they made their money. I don't what did what is it? Is that anime? Was I right when I guessed that that was anime? Pretty much, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 30:07

It's pretty much it's just animation. Um, it's a really deep storyline, crazy uh plot line. Um's a deep storyline. But it it it it was it was honestly great. Um, I hate that how it got done with the leakers and everything, but nowadays that seems like something that's happening a lot. A lot of stuff gets leaked.

SPEAKER_03 30:27

You would think that people wouldn't put their movies on servers that had internet.

SPEAKER_01 30:34

Like just like dude, like everything gets leaked nowadays.

SPEAKER_03 30:37

Why do I know? Um, so the grand total for the weekend was 150, I'm sorry, 154 million dollars for the weekend. That's down 33.5% from the week before. Uh, and of course, Toy Story 5 drove much of the success of both of those weekends. I praise Toy Story 5. So, what we see so far, we're about halfway through the year. Well, I mean, we're over a little over halfway of the year, actually, seven months. Yeah, and the pattern remains. Horror films and family films are crushing, films with hope are crushing, and films with uh horrific despair are crushing, and then everything else is just not hit.

SPEAKER_01 31:24

It's just not, yeah, I agree with that.

SPEAKER_03 31:26

Old directors, uh, I I had been saying for a while that this was gonna be their fucking year. Uh I was so excited at the beginning of this podcast, I was like, oh, most of my favorite filmmakers that are alive have films coming out this year. I'm so excited, and then they're all one after another, failure, failure, failure, failure, failure. It does make me wonder now that they did did you see the trailer yet for Shovel? No, I don't believe so. No. Let me let me make sure I'm saying the right name of the the movie. Uh um Digger is what I meant to say. Did you see Digger? No, I have not. Something about the way I say digger that just sounds offensive, doesn't it? An ER. I'm hitting that ER really hard.

SPEAKER_01 32:19

Uh we're just gonna call it Shovel.

SPEAKER_03 32:22

Shovel was probably the rubble choice. Um, well, uh digga. Digga. I'm a digger. Uh is starring Tom Cruise, but it's being directed by one of my all-time favorite film directors. He's a top 20 director for me. I cannot pronounce his name and I will not make the attempt, but I will tell you that he's the guy who did Birdman. Okay, and he's the guy who did uh The Revenant.

SPEAKER_01 32:50

Oh, the Revenant was amazing.

SPEAKER_03 32:51

He gave Leo his Oscar, and now if you watch this trailer, the way that they put it in the movie theater, they're clearly trying to get he's trying to get uh Tom Cruise his Oscar that he's never been able to get.

SPEAKER_01 33:03

I think that's crazy, honestly.

SPEAKER_03 33:05

Because like the first two minutes of this trailer is everything Tom Cruise has been in that was like fucking great. Okay, like everything.

SPEAKER_01 33:16

I'm gonna I'm gonna give his flowers. I'm definitely gonna research that a little more. I love Tom Cruise.

SPEAKER_03 33:20

Um and he's playing something way out of his normal scope. Way out of his normal scope. Like you remember when he did um Tropic Thunder? Yeah, of course, and that was way out of his scope. Yeah, we're in that field, we're in that ballpark.

SPEAKER_00 33:35

Okay, so we're some instruments.

SPEAKER_03 33:36

He's playing an old man, a balding old man. It's a comedy, but it's like one of those like artsy, weird fucking like kind of how bird man sort of a thing.

SPEAKER_01 33:47

That's gonna be weird, man. Seeing Tom Cruise do that.

SPEAKER_03 33:50

I can't wait.

SPEAKER_01 33:51

He doesn't age in general, like I can't I can't see him with age now.

SPEAKER_03 33:56

Yeah, it's it's gonna be friggin' wild. I'm excited about this because again, the director is a director that I think knocks out of the park every time he steps up to play. Mexican directors are so much fucking better these days than everybody else doing it. And I don't care if it's racist, I don't care. Send me to meet El Diablo, yeah. No, but Furro though, uh Mexican directors are killing it. I mean, you know, there was um again bad with names, and I'm not gonna try even attempt, but there's the guy that directed um Roma. Remember Roma? It won the the Oscar for that. Um he also directed Harry Potter 3.

SPEAKER_00 34:44

Okay, beautiful, beautiful.

SPEAKER_03 34:45

So you know how there was that big tonal shift, and then after that, everything after that was trying to be three? For sure. It's because they put one of the best directors in the world on the movie, and he's like, I don't watch Harry Potter, but he went home and read the book, and then he just was like, Everything source material. Everything is coming out of the feeling of this book, and I need to bring that to the screen.

SPEAKER_01 35:04

I think a lot of a lot of directors should uh be hitting some source material, man.

SPEAKER_03 35:08

I mean okay, okay. Since I have somebody else here, I'm gonna look up the name of of these people so that someone other than me can say it. Because we just heard how I say shovel. A person who uses a shovel. It's just like even coming out of my mouth, I was like, that sounds hateful. Could you want to give a hand?

SPEAKER_01 35:32

Alejandro, I do know that Alejandro Gonzalez. Alright, so I'm gonna go ahead and leave that last name alone.

SPEAKER_03 35:39

I'm gonna I'll say it since I already said digga. In our ritu. Um, which fun fact, I am sort of in Birdman. I've not said this on the podcast yet. Oh shit. We haven't even gotten into the fucking movie yet. We're almost halfway done. Oh shit. It's one of my favorite movies because I think it's the best representation of what's like the work in the theater industry uh that I've come across. Right. Uh, there's a scene with Emma Stone, and they're like looking down on the sidewalk, and I was working Crust Street at Family Opera at the time at the Majestic Theater, and that's the awning that you see. And there the moment that it happens, you see the person walk through. I'm standing under that awning, and the person that walks through is not one of the extras, it's one of my friends. Holy shit! That's how come I know it was me, it was it was uh Mahome Bosco walking out. He guys, I would hang out with people on their smoke break, even though I didn't smoke. Uh, and so it's just this like weird thing. Plus, I like kept walking through rehearsal shots, like the one where he's naked going through Times Square. I mean, he's not all the way naked, but he's nearly naked, and it's like I fucked up one of their shots because I wanted to go to the ATM and I just didn't care. And their PA wasn't fast enough to stop me. And I'm like, ah, Bang of America. It was back when I banked the BOA. Um, yeah, so we're gonna pause here. When we come back, we're gonna talk about this week's movie, the 2000 uh release, the year 2000 release of the movie The Patriot. Beautiful. We're gonna get into the ins and outs of that in just a moment. Uh, thank you for listening to Shadows that Shine, a movie podcast. And we're once again with you. Like I said uh just a moment ago, the Patriot is a 2000 release. It is rated R. The theatrical version was two hours and 45 minutes, but the version I watched last night was two hours and fifty-five minutes. It was released on June 28th, 2000. It opened to 110 million dollars. Uh Sony Pictures releasing, of course, at the beginning, whenever it's Sony, they uh uh oh man, the lady with the torch.

SPEAKER_01 38:08

Uh oh, um the Statue of Liberty. No, no, no.

SPEAKER_03 38:13

No, the how am I gonna go straight into this and not remember? Like I had time, I could have looked it up. The type of movie studio that they use like to front all their pictures, even though everything is released through Sony Pictures, is uh God say Sony Movie Studio and it's gonna he's looking it up because I didn't do my job.

SPEAKER_01 38:37

Minor detour here, guys.

SPEAKER_03 38:39

So one thing I forgot. But while while he looks that up, it was directed by Roland Emmerich. Of course, this is a director forward podcast.

SPEAKER_00 38:49

Okay, beautiful.

SPEAKER_03 38:50

What what'd you find?

SPEAKER_00 38:51

So uh so when I look it up, that's all he gave.

unknown 38:54

Uh something like that.

SPEAKER_00 38:56

No, uh distribution. Oh distribution, gotcha.

SPEAKER_03 39:00

Let's see. Uh do you know who Roland Emmerich is? I do not. I didn't realize that I liked him as much until I started seeing the movies that he did. Uh way back in the day he gave us Stargate. Oh, that was great. The movie he did before this movie that we watched uh was Independence Day. The movie he did after uh I'm sorry, he did Independence Day, then he did Godzilla. That was the the one with the Madison Square Garden and then the eggs. Yeah, ohzilla, he did that one, like he did the the late 90s one that had it was uh I don't know if you've ever heard me say this on in my stand-up back, but uh the first rap song I ever memorized was a Puff Daddy song, which is even more embarrassing nowadays because the name of the song was Come With Me. Yeah, well, it was from that movie. Um we've almost got there. We're getting there.

SPEAKER_00 39:57

We're getting there, we're getting there.

SPEAKER_03 39:58

Not Lion's Gate, not Lionsgate, it's definitely not Lion's Gate. You know, I'm giving up on it, and then everyone can just be mad. And you can write us on social media, you know. Cuss us out, man.

SPEAKER_00 40:10

For not remembering.

SPEAKER_03 40:12

At Shadows That Shine on Instagram, and then you can also, we got a Facebook group, and then you can come on here and be like, you guys are idiots. Clearly, we're talking about that company with the lady at the beginning that fights off the zombies. You know what I'm talking about.

SPEAKER_01 40:27

Yes, man, like oh my god.

SPEAKER_03 40:30

Back to Rolling Emmerich. Uh, the day after tomorrow is the movie that came after this. Gosh, man, got some bangers, which is not like the best fucking movie ever, but like it's a fun movie. Oh, it was really good. And that's the thing is like Godzilla's not a good movie, but it's a fun movie.

SPEAKER_01 40:46

Yeah, it's a pretty fun movie. Like seeing a giant screaming dinosaur.

SPEAKER_03 40:50

Uh you know, uh yeah, and it was written by Robert Rodat, the movie that Robert did before this movie, Saving Private Ryan in 1998, and the one he did after this movie as a writer, yeah, was Thor the Dark World. Now, he didn't write Thor the Dark World that we saw. He gave us the story by he has the story by credit. Well, that's fair. The version that like everyone signed up for, he came up with that. Okay, that's and then they were like, fuck off, we're gonna hire these other people to ruin the movie. Yeah, for sure.

unknown 41:21

They did.

SPEAKER_03 41:21

Um, so like he's a great writer, though. I mean, saving private rides. Yeah, amazing movie. So this was a great duo, yeah. And then at the exact same time, uh, I don't normally talk about actors. Sorry, I don't normally talk about actors in a movie, but you know what? We are today for sure. Let's do it because it stars Mel Gibson at the peak of his career and Heath Ledger at the beginning of his career.

unknown 41:49

Beautiful.

SPEAKER_03 41:50

Very early Heath Ledger stuff. This movie, if it wasn't for this movie, like we're gonna get into the ins and outs of the movie in just a second, but like I need to point this out because I'm a huge, huge Heath Ledger mark. I'm sorry, fan. Uh I'm a wrestling nerd, so or used to be. I don't watch anymore, but terminology. Yeah, for sure, for sure. Heath Ledger was going to quit. He was already like planning his trip back home when he got cast to be in this movie. Okay, because they all they just wanted to be heart through. And he's like, I don't want to, I don't want to be Teen Hartthro over and over again. Uh Ten Things I Hate About You is a great movie, but I I don't want to play that 400 times in the next four years.

SPEAKER_01 42:32

Right, and that's who I am now to the industry, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 42:35

Yeah, he's like, I'm ready for some real acting, and this is what we got.

SPEAKER_01 42:39

Absolutely so because of this, we got his eventually we got his Dark Knight Joker, which is always a beautiful character and actor behind it, man. I that was oh man, timeless, timeless, man.

SPEAKER_03 42:52

So that being said, overall first impressions. What'd you think of the Patriot?

SPEAKER_01 42:58

Overall first impression. So I I I am that guy that has done like a one out of ten, one being terrible, ten being amazing. That's good. I thought first time seeing it, I've never seen it until you recommended it to me. Uh man, that was a solid nine out of ten.

SPEAKER_03 43:13

What a time to watch that movie right now, too.

SPEAKER_01 43:15

Exactly. I I think it was beautiful. I think the story was beautiful. The actors were just like I like an hour passed by, and I didn't even really notice. Like I was like, oh, two-hour long movie. Okay, they gotta bring some heat.

SPEAKER_03 43:28

You said two hour-long movie, but I want to remind you, it is a three-hour movie. Three hour. And depending on how you watched it, was which version you got. And so it was either 245 or 245. I did a 245. I didn't do it. You did 245. Okay.

SPEAKER_01 43:42

But it was beautiful. Like, first hour just immediately went by. And I was like, wait a minute, there's more. You know what I'm saying? And it kept giving it. It delivered really well. Um, I I was astounded. Like, I thought it was great.

SPEAKER_03 43:55

And and I have to agree with you. Um, of course, uh, y'all will see what the I haven't put my rating yet. It's uh I'm still torn between a four and a four and a half star at a five star review for it, but I love this movie. Uh, they used to use this movie in our civics classes at the high school I went through to teach civics. Nice, or like to teach this period of of the Revolutionary War. It's like instead of me sitting up here and telling you what an experience it was, let's show you uh an idea of what it was to fight against the the Brits.

SPEAKER_01 44:30

Yeah, and it was great. I thought every character just brought so especially the main villain. Uh just a scumbag, dude. The butcher, he was like he he he made me want to come through the screen, man. And that's how I know that he portrayed a beautiful villain. Not just he was subtle and when he needed to be, but he was still cunning with it. Like every word he said made me just like, oh my god, this fucking guy.

SPEAKER_03 44:54

And he came with that charm and elegance, which is you already fucking hate like British aristocrat, you know, like as an American, it's like embedded in us. And then and then he just like turns it to 11s and is like, oh, I also don't have morals and values.

SPEAKER_01 45:15

I love how he always felt like, oh, I got this, oh I got this. This is nothing, this is nothing. I love that with a villain because it just shows that you know it shows no remorse. And I mean, I feel like that's what a villain, especially of this time, what he's doing, how he's being portrayed, that's what he needed. He needed act like he had it in the back. I mean, he got fucked over in the end, but it's it was good.

SPEAKER_03 45:35

Well, you see, uh um, there's a few different ways that we can bring this conversation, and I'm trying to decide in my head which one I want to do. Uh, one is I'm fascinated that you're seeing this movie for the first time now. Yes. At a time where patriotism is almost dead. Yeah, I agree.

SPEAKER_00 45:55

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 45:56

Um, I I'll just speak me personally here. I used to be obnoxiously patriotic, and I used to be extremely like, yay, I'm American. And then like I lived in France for a little bit, and I still felt that way for a few years after until I it was almost like, oh wait, no, we're not oh, oh, we're not that good at a lot of stuff. Like the idea of what we're supposed to be is the best idea I've ever heard, but like we're not being that right right now as a country. I try not to be political, but it's not it's not the America our founding fathers fought for. Which um which I'm going to to be a dick to myself by transitioning to the other thing that I'm curious about, you, a man of color, yes, watching that movie must have had yeah, must have had some thoughts, some feelings.

SPEAKER_01 46:58

So, dude. So when I was watching, there's a moment in the movie when um, you know, they're signing up, they go to the bar or or whatever you can call it to recruit.

SPEAKER_03 47:10

Yeah, and then the one guy's like and he's like, Yeah, I'll I already signed him over.

SPEAKER_01 47:15

And the dude can't read and write. He's like, Can you write a horse? He's like, No, he's like, uh, okay, you'll do.

unknown 47:21

What the fuck?

SPEAKER_01 47:22

Like, I I still loved it. Um, it wasn't so what I liked about it, it uh like you said, man of color. I loved it because it still portrayed us in a time period that and I thought it was pretty accurate, but I love seeing the empowerment behind it. I love seeing, you know, the roles that were given, how they were used, and I thought it was pretty decent, man.

SPEAKER_03 47:44

I thought it was pretty decent, but well, you saw how they how they side skirt the fucking slave issue. Like they side skirt that issue so fucking hardcore. Cause you like you got you you definitely got black people doing stuff on this plantation, and then all of a sudden they're like slaves can be freed if they fight for the crown.

SPEAKER_01 48:08

I swear, man, like when they for uh when they look at them had the montage like of them hitting different red coats and they were in the cotton field. Oh yeah, dude. I was like, oh my fucking god, dude.

SPEAKER_03 48:21

And then you just like you just fucking know these are our slaves. Yeah, yeah. And then he's like, oh, we're not slaves, we work for him.

SPEAKER_01 48:30

Yeah. Or like like some of the slaves.

SPEAKER_03 48:32

And I was like, oh, that's one way to make this.

SPEAKER_01 48:34

Certain people have certain clothes on, like, you know, a certain uh type of attire.

SPEAKER_03 48:38

Well, they're still dressed. Like, what do you expect?

SPEAKER_01 48:41

Never change their clothes for real.

SPEAKER_03 48:43

But they're they're not that's what's fucking what I mean by side skirting the issue. Like, they're not slaves in this movie. There's one slave in the whole movie that takes place in South Carolina. Yeah, so that's a little weird for me. Uh, with everything that I've been through in my journey of understanding, it's very strange for me to be like, oh, oh, so we're we're just not gonna talk about this.

SPEAKER_01 49:09

Trust me, as a man of color, it was weird watching that shit too, though, because I was like, What the fuck do you mean? You're gonna give him a horse and a gun, and and I was what the fuck do you mean? Him? Like yeah, and it's like I didn't want to be like that, but I was like, okay, so we're just gonna.

SPEAKER_03 49:23

And they did the little like great where they're like, we're gonna do some some soft core racism here, and then it's okay, it's okay. By the end of the movie, the white man's gonna learn that black men are better than white people at everything. What is true? You know it's true. But it was like, like, oh, oh, I guess you're not that bad. In fact, like, I'd be dead if it wasn't for you. What do you know?

SPEAKER_01 49:51

Yeah, let's let's do the handshake of you know, grab each other's forearms and call it a day. Yeah. Um, it was still good. I I thought it was lovely.

SPEAKER_03 50:00

I thought it was lovely. I had wondered if it would distract you because when you had said you hadn't watched it, I was like, I bet that Gio's gonna be like, What have they done here?

SPEAKER_01 50:09

I'm not gonna lie.

SPEAKER_03 50:10

So when I when I It's like reverse glory because it's the one black guy fighting.

SPEAKER_01 50:14

So I thought he's the Matthew Broderick. I thought, dude, when when it came on, I was like, okay, so we got some slaves. This is gonna be on like some Django type of time, like which is accurate to the time. And I was like, oh, we're not? Oh, okay, okay, cool.

SPEAKER_03 50:29

Well, you know, at the end of the day, it's because they needed none of none of this stuff in this story uh is can be called factually accurate. Yeah, like it's uh it is thematically accurate, but they needed to side skirt racism in order to tell the story, which is what is it to be a patriot? Because at the end of the day, this is a story about America versus England, and we kind of can't get too deep into uh the minutia of the complexity of home. It's like right now. Like right now, we're at a place in life where if you're one of the people that believes Agent Orange is destroying our country, Agent Orange, what?

unknown 51:15

That's a beautiful name.

SPEAKER_01 51:17

I will never call that man anything else now.

SPEAKER_03 51:21

Am I the one that came up with that?

SPEAKER_01 51:23

Yes, yes, that's I ain't gonna lie, that's amazing. That's amazing.

SPEAKER_03 51:28

I just, you know, I like puns. Oh my goodness. And when he goes home to visit Mother Russia, um I'm not getting into any of that stuff right now. We're on a podcast, and this is about cinema, but you know, unfortunately, we have to talk a little bit about politics because the nature of this movie is fucking politics. Still beautiful movies. It is, it's it's um establishing what it is to be American and why we would go to war with an empire and what it is to not be represented in your governing body. Sounds familiar to me. Like I don't think that I don't think most of the people in our governing body represents us anymore. Right. I think both sides of the aisle, like both sides of the constituents of the aisle, agree with that. Yeah, they just have different opinions about how to solve the problem. There are people uh like me that thinks, hey, maybe we should do a multi-party system and uh maybe a uh a soft reboot of the country for sure because we're really getting we're we're in some dangerous waters right now, man. And uh I can't get too deep into this because this is a movie podcast. Uh but then uh yeah, let's let's back all the way up.

SPEAKER_01 52:44

I almost got on a soapbox here. There was there were so many moments in the movie though that I was like, I wouldn't have done this. Like uh I like what? Like so the main so the scene like a few uh maybe an hour into the movie, the son he's like, I'm I'm I'm not listening to you, dad. I'm about to go, and he's watching from the window the battle in this giant field. I cannot, I could never fathom going in a line and having a civilized war. All right, it's your all right, flip of a coin. Okay, we're shooting first. You guys you guys line up, one shot. Okay, now it's your guys' turn. No fucking way.

SPEAKER_03 53:24

You know why war that was ever that the reason they present it like that. So film, I have this theory that film is essay. Okay, it's a four-dimensional essay. Okay, all right, it and so there's a point and a counterpoint through the whole thing, but then there's also moments like that. Where in a moment like that, you're establishing here is a change that happened, and part of why the writer is proud to be uh American or the creator of the film, which I believe the in the Arthur theory, which is directors or the authors of the film. Okay. Uh sometimes someone else's, but generally it's the director. For sure. That being said, uh that moment is specifically there to show you what Americans did to change warfare.

SPEAKER_01 54:13

And yeah, giant change.

SPEAKER_03 54:16

And it even acknowledges the reason why America knew to do it, which was the French and Indian War, because Native Americans fought, you know, with their brinks. Yeah. Like, maybe we should hide and like fucking do sneak attacks and kill people and like you know stand in a line. Stand in a line and wait to have a cannon blow our head off. Yeah, one shot at a time. Like, was that shot in your version? Yeah, the the cannon ball to the head?

SPEAKER_01 54:43

Yeah, that was beautiful. I I loved how it I love one of the scenes though. Like, it was a scene they were about to go to another, but the can't the last cannon fires, and like a whole left side of a line just gets obliterated. Yeah, which is what it was. It's just wild that that's what it was. And like I was telling, I was telling my lady, I was like, see, back then I would have been a fucking savage then because I would have never stood in a line. I I I couldn't, I could like, but I see like that's the change in the world nowadays. Like, I can't fathom gentleman warfare when we are in a world nowadays where it's like I'm not standing in a fucking line, you know.

SPEAKER_03 55:18

But that's what's interesting is a lot of that movie is this because you have uh you you have the the verbalization of what's happening, you're not supposed to kill the leaders because you don't want people running around without leadership.

SPEAKER_00 55:30

Absolutely.

SPEAKER_03 55:31

What kind of civilized world doesn't have leaders, right? Which is true. Um, which is interesting because way earlier in the story, Mel Gibson is over there, like, I'd rather, or what's the difference between one tyrant 3,000 miles away and 3,000 tyrants one mile away?

unknown 55:46

Yep.

SPEAKER_03 55:46

Which is where we're at now. Like that that line fucking hit right now.

SPEAKER_00 55:50

I agree.

SPEAKER_03 55:51

Um, but I still don't want a king. Especially not.

SPEAKER_01 55:58

I don't need any King Georges. That's that's uh you could just leave all those.

SPEAKER_03 56:02

Yeah, yeah. But you know, he's establishing these ideas of warfare, and then it's like, oh, this is the way that we do war, and this is the reason why. And he's over there like, you know, like you're over there saying that's how you fight wars, and then what happened at my plantation? Exactly. You fucking killed all of your enemies and called that like you get to write the rules of who right, you know.

SPEAKER_01 56:26

And it was a it was a great question though, because he's like, Oh, so he's like, oh, so does that matter to like uh you know the murder of civilians, like women, children, all that? And he's like, Oh, that's separate. He's like, No, I don't really think that's separate. I think that's I think that's the same thing. But I love the the dupe that he did as well. He's like, You see, look over there. Great dupe. 18 18 officers for my 18 men, and the guy walks in with the fucking scarecrow, and he's just like, our returning soldiers, and the great Danes leaving with mail instead of staying, oh my god.

SPEAKER_03 56:58

It was every everything about the movie was like the karma of that moment is though, like you're over there trying to talk about being uh, you know, oh, I'm justified to kill your leadership because of this reason, and then you do that little trick, which you had to do, yeah, yeah. But then the church scene happens, which is one of the just horrific sort of things. You know, I have the luxury of having seen this a few times, so I'm calloused to that scene as I'm watching it last night, and even still, I'm like, man, could you imagine being in a moment where you have no control and everything around you is leading to pure destruction? And then I went, Oh, wait, that's what life is now. Oh, that's now it's it's still relevant.

SPEAKER_01 57:42

Even the the priest was great though, when he was like, Are you gonna go fight in the war? And he's like, Look, hey, Shepard gotta lead his flock.

SPEAKER_03 57:49

The line that he gave was the most gangster shit ever.

SPEAKER_01 57:53

He takes off the wig and puts the fucking hat on.

SPEAKER_03 57:55

I'm like, oh shit, dude. We're revisiting that line. I never remember lines, and I remember what the fuck he said. He says, Um, sometimes a shepherd has to tend to his flock, and sometimes that means fighting off wolves.

SPEAKER_01 58:10

Yeah, and I was like, no, you think the motherfucker was like, oh especially when they first came into the church, he was like, hey, whoa, whoa, whoa, man. We're praying here, man. And he's like, Look, man, I need bodies. I don't I feel you, but oh, and the dad. The dad um that couldn't hear. Yeah, I thought his comic relief in this serious ass movie was the trolliest motherfucker ever, all the way through.

SPEAKER_03 58:35

And that woman, by the way, that played Heath Ledger's Love Interest was gorgeous and a good actress. Yeah, for sure. And when I went and looked up what she did after, I was so sad to see there was not anything significant after it. Like she had more acting roles, but nothing that like the like the Patriot. It's like after you did that performance, like, what'd you do wrong? Yeah, for real. Because you crushed it. Yeah, for that should have been like a Kira Knightley level of success.

SPEAKER_01 59:05

That's actually sad to hear that.

SPEAKER_03 59:06

Yeah, and she was like American Kira Knightley.

SPEAKER_01 59:09

Yeah, I thought that, like I said, and said and then seeing Heath Ledger, um, I thought that was great as well. Just seeing, you know, I I mean, I hate to say it, seeing him alive for one, and seeing some of his Oh, because you yeah, because you got a something you never seen from him. Yeah, I've never seen like Heath Ledger really besides the Dark Knight.

SPEAKER_03 59:27

And so So you you have seen 10 uh 10 Things I hate about you, right?

SPEAKER_01 59:31

I I've seen snips.

SPEAKER_03 59:32

I I yeah so you have the luxury of getting to visit this man's full film filmography.

SPEAKER_01 59:38

Yeah, so that's why when I was seeing when I was seeing him in the patron, I'm like this man hits every time he comes to like yes, man. I was like, God, man, like but also seeing prime Mel Gibson. I love Mel Gibson. I mean, I know you know opinions about Mel Gibson vary.

SPEAKER_03 59:57

We're we'll we'll separate art and artist for Mel Gibson at this time.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:02

I love Mel Gibson, man. I think a lot of the things that I've seen him play in, like uh what is it, Get the Gringo and Lethal Weapon for me was very important. Come on.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:12

I'm one of the few people like Lethal Weapon 4 was my first Lethal Weapon, so wow, I love that movie. And there are some people that like that movie's terrible and I'm like, yeah, but if that was the first one you watched, come on, yeah, like come on. When you watched the other ones, then it's like, yeah, the other ones are better, but like I already have this warm spot for this movie.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:32

Yeah, but I loved Mel seeing seeing his performance and how I love watching Mel Gibson sometimes because he he he does more than just bring a character to life. I feel like he he really embodies where he's at, what he's doing, and and what he's supposed to be doing every scene. Like I see a lot of actors sometimes they and uh I'm an actor myself. Sometimes I muddle through certain things just to get to another key point that I need. But seeing Mel, it's like everything he does. It's like like when he's stabbing the dude with the axe in the water in the first beginning of the movie. Oh, yeah, that was. I was like, holy fuck, dude. The dude didn't even really like do anything by it besides like fall in the water, but seeing him wow out, I was like, holy fuck, dude.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:12

I that's why I'm gonna get your grassion out.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:14

Yeah, like I fucking guess.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:16

I do gotta disagree. I have I have a different opinion of Mel Gibson as an actor. I think he was chewing on the scenery a little bit. I think he was uh being a little self-indulgent in some moments.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:30

Uh that's all I'll take.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:32

But you know, I'm watching it from my point of view as someone that was an actor, uh a character actor for a long time. Um and I don't like watching someone act, he says with a quotation marks in the end. Like he he was he was making moments instead of being I don't think he was a hundred percent in the shots that that they took for the film. I felt a disconnect, but it could just be I'm so extremely difficult to impress lately.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:07

Would you say he was better? I know this is just a crazy question. Do you think he was better in The Patriot or um uh Braveheart?

SPEAKER_03 1:02:15

I have not seen Braveheart yet. I own it, it's in my collection, and I just it's one of those things like I'm Scottish, I'm Scotch, Irish, German, Welsh, or as I like to call it drunk. But I'm very uh connected to my Scottish heritage. We we were uh we're a noble family, a noble clan. That's with the C. That's that's that's the the okay way of using clan. Um we we have a significant like hold into Scottish culture, and I love that. Like when I found a teacher introduced the same and uh one of the same teachers that showed me Patriot uh is also the one who was like, hey, did you know that you're in the Clan McLean? And like, yada yada yada. Beautiful. That's beautiful, man. Yeah, I can trace my uh this part of my family I can trace back over 2000 years.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:08

That's a great thing to do, like be able to do, you know what I'm saying? Uh you say never seen Braveheart.

SPEAKER_03 1:03:15

Never seen Braveheart. All that was to say, I've never seen Braveheart. It's my twin sister's favorite film. That's amazing. And I've never seen Braveheart. That's amazing. I know I'm gonna like it, but it's just you gotta be in the right mood for things.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:28

Oh, for sure. For sure.

SPEAKER_03 1:03:29

Especially, you have to be craving it. Yes. And I just haven't. It's like that's been in my collection for a decade now, I think. Wow. And I just every time I think it's time to watch it, I'll be like, oh. Or I could watch this Tarantino film, or I can watch this Nolan film, or like this week with the announce, uh, the announcement that came from Criterion, or the Criterion Collection about uh the Kubrick collection, the complete Kubrick. I decided to revisit, I have already collected the complete Kubrick myself by buying from all the different sources you can buy from. So I have all of his 13 films and his three short films already. So I I was like, I'm so excited about this, which I want to buy just for the bonus features, because bonus features don't exist on Kubrick films.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:19

Right. That's actually yeah, that's weird to hear.

SPEAKER_03 1:04:22

Like all together. Like the reality is, is there was only ever one behind the scenes, one and a half behind the scenes movies ever made. I don't know if you know this, so I'm just telling you. But The Shining, there is a detailed here's how he works. But even that he like curated and calculated. He had his daughter film it. Right. And it's her movie, but like he was very hands-on.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:45

Right.

SPEAKER_03 1:04:45

And then they were gonna do the same thing for uh Full Metal Jacket, and then like halfway through, she was like, I'm done. I can't like let me do the movie or I'm done.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:52

Yeah, I heard Kubrick, uh Kubrick was really controlling. Yes, um multiple takes all the time.

SPEAKER_03 1:04:59

Like I'm I'm okay with all of the stuff. I think that he's given us some of the best art for sure in cinema history. Like you said, The Shining Man, that's that's a And that's not even his third best film. Well what would you say? I think my favorite film of his is a film called Barry Linden. Barry Linden. And it uh it is a film we will eventually cover on here. It is a period piece, okay, and it is uh is a very long movie back in the day when intermissions were a thing. There's an intermission in this movie. Beautiful and it tells the story of an Irishman who uh craves um status and power and you see the rise and the fall of that sort of lifestyle pursuit. Nice, nice.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:50

Uh I'm definitely putting that in the on the list because I got a giant list.

SPEAKER_03 1:05:54

But he was the first person to do a period piece and say, I'm gonna do a lot of zoom ins and zoom outs. Was no zooming ever. You didn't want to do anything that showed the technology. Right. If you're talking about the past. But at the exact same time you have that, you have a man who has costumed the entire piece in the most authentic wear that had up to that point ever existed. Because everything before that was like these like perfect. You know, it's the same difference of Star Wars gave us a grimy space.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:23

For sure. Okay.

SPEAKER_03 1:06:24

So he gave us a lived-in costuming. I like that. And he shot night scenes with candlelight, which up to that point had never been done because the he had to custom make a camera. He took a camera and he fucking retrofitted it with a NASA lens to be able to hit the right um technical specs to film candlelight. Dude, what? This is before digital. Like now we turn on an iPhone, we're shooting with just the full moon, and you can get my face on here. For sure. For sure. Cold bloody. But uh, but he was able to do this fucking 50 years ago.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:10

That is fucking.

SPEAKER_03 1:07:10

I mean, it's the movie came out about 50 years ago. God damn. It's one of the last slow-paced, slow burn movies. I remember um me and a former uh romantic partner of mine. I was like, I want you to see this movie. She was like, I don't want to fucking watch this movie. I said, please humor me. How about this? We'll do the the 20 minute uh uh the 20-minute rule, right? And then at the very least, just watch the first half for me. That's fair. If you don't like it at the at the end of the first half, that's that's a normal movie length, then we'll fuck off, and I won't even recommend a movie for the rest of the month. Like you'll have full control over what we watch. Did she the she she was real quiet when she watched it, and then the intermission hit and she shoots up and runs the bathroom.

SPEAKER_00 1:08:03

Got it.

SPEAKER_03 1:08:04

And then she gets back and she goes, I'm gonna make popcorn and then we're gonna watch the rest of this. Solid. She felt as I did that it's brilliant. It really is my favorite that he's done. And I think that he's done uh 2001, I think, is better than The Shining, objectively. I love The Shining movie.

SPEAKER_01 1:08:23

Yeah, The Shining is great.

SPEAKER_03 1:08:24

The Shining, I actually watch more than any of his other movies.

SPEAKER_01 1:08:27

Yeah, it's great. It's it's one of those, it's one of those movies that if you're like, What have you ever seen The Shining?

SPEAKER_03 1:08:32

Like, come on, like Yeah, yeah, and so yeah, blah blah blah. Kubrick is great, and they're gonna do a Kubrick collection. It's it's like full price is like 640 bucks for 13 feature films and three short films, but the real reward for it is it's gonna be this 25 disc, you know, it's it's 4K Blu-ray, yes, and they're gonna have a fuck ton of special features, and that's what has me because Criteria uh the Criterion collection movies have the best special features in the business, period. No one comes close. They're the people who invented the direct uh commentary, they invented that. Oh shoot, okay, okay, nice. Excuse me. Um I burped and we're in a car, so this man's about to smell fucking white people chicken. It's poor bastard. Um The Patriot Um I I love that movie. Yes. Uh it definitely I like movies of that time. I've I've gotten a lot of disagreements with people who think it's passe to be patriotic. And I'm like, if you're being actually patriotic, not America's the best ever, but like the idea of what America was supposed to be. Yes. And that's complicated because different people thought it should be different things. Of course. But like my version of it. So I like a Steve Rogers America. Okay. I like a um obviously I like an America that maybe doesn't do slavery in Jim Crow. And I wish we could have skipped those steps and gone out the gate whatever. For sure. You know, uh, but we actually did fix those things, and we're a big part of the reason why those things left the world. Because before America, slavery was a thing. Yeah. And because of America, slavery is not a thing anywhere else in the world at this time, except uh remote parts of Africa. Right. And everywhere else it's been gotten rid of. So it's like, yes, it's awful what we did. Um you know, it really fucking sucks when you know like direct ancestors of yours fucking owned slaves. Like it's it's an uncomfortable and gross feeling. Um but it happened, and here we are.

SPEAKER_01 1:11:07

And I mean, I feel like I mean, I feel like sometimes you gotta we have to know these things, though. I know it may not be what everyone is accustomed to or wants, but sometimes you have to know the raw truths, man. I mean, it it was a thing that happened. We can't, you know, we can't just like like they did and and skip around it. Uh but well, they they didn't skip it.

SPEAKER_03 1:11:29

Not skip it, but they acknowledged it with a single character because they were like, this can't be a movie about slavery. Right. We can later someone else can make a movie one day about the Revolutionary War with slavery as one of the big factors. I would like to see that movie. I would love a black filmmaker to come in, or even a white filmmaker that like has black sensibilities. I would love for them to come in and say, let's tell the Revolutionary War, not like glory, yeah. Let's tell it like the fucking 12 Years Meets a Slave Meets the Patriot. That'd actually be really good. Let's see what the reality of what it was to be black during that time was. I think that'd actually be really good. I think so too. Um I'm not trying to tackle that, but I would like someone else to. I don't know. Like if I get to make the like five movies that I really want to make, then the and then someone says, Do you want to make a period piece? Fuck up, then I'll do it. Okay, so uh crazy thing happened and we ran out of time, and we're out of time right now, but uh listen to this bonus episode where we finish. It's gonna be out soon, like tomorrow.